Dear Frank and all,
Here is another link with much information about local differences in pronunciation of Pali:
http://pali.pratyeka.org/
(I think I have given this link before on various occasions since I find it very useful resource).
I don't think that at present time there is an absolutely "correct" pronunciation of the Pali words. The situation is much like with the dialects of a living language - no one's dialect is more correct than others. I myself am self-educated in Pali and I keep to the "classic" Indian pronunciation but this is just because I have attended a short course in Sanskrit back in my days in university. Since I haven't a contact with a living tradition (except for the audio materials in the net) I probably develop my own "dialect" so to speak. If there were more people speaking like me this could give rise to just another Pali tradition and perhaps this was the way the various schools of pronouncing Pali have come into being through the centuries.
With metta,
Ardavarz
--- On Sun, 2/14/10, frank <fcckuan@...> wrote:
From: frank <fcckuan@...>
Subject: Re: [Pali] pronunciation of jj in sambojjhanga
To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 8:10 PM
Welcome to the list Anton. Thank you, as well as James, Bryan, Patrick,
Lennart, and everyone else for patiently answering my question in a
variety of ways. So the conclusion is I think I need to learn how to
read the phonetic pronunciation key. When there is doubt regarding what
I hear in the audio dictionary, I can check the key.
Lennart also forwarded me a link to this interesting site :
http://ravi. iiit.ac.in/ ~speech/speechde mo.html
<http://ravi. iiit.ac.in/ %7Espeech/ speechdemo. html>
As you see, this is a text-to-speech demo website. Enter your (pali)
word into the left box, and it will convert it into an audio file you
can online listen to.
-Frank
On 2/13/2010 10:47 PM, Anton Bjerke wrote:
> Dear Frank,
>
> Whithout basically any knowledge of Pali whatsover, I think that your
> guess that the variation has arised due to (Thai or other) accent is
> absolutely true. The Pali recordings I've heard (to the extent that I
> can judge phonetically) show great regional variation, which seems very
> logical, since there really are very many different peoples using Pali.
> So my guess is that the phonemes /j, jh/ do not have any "etymological"
> alternations (allophons), but only regional. Also the IPA transcription
> on the audio site linked to uses the sign for a voiced palatal stop (a
> kind of j-like d), not an affricate (like twice in English<judge> ).
> By the way, if I haven't introduced myself earlier, I'm a Phd-student of
> Helsinki University (Altaic linguistics) , with an interest in Buddhist
> thought and language in a broad sense.
>
> Best wishes,
> Anton Bjerke
>
>
> frank skrev:
>
>> Thanks for the comments, Patrick and Bryan.
>> As a beginner,
>>
>> I'm looking for consistent simple rules I can rely in, and it sure was
>> confusing to hear so many different sounds made with "jj" depending on
>> the context.
>> for reference:
>> http://studies. worldtipitaka. org/audio_ alpha?page= 1&op0=starts& filter0=v% C4%ABriya
>> <http://studies. worldtipitaka. org/audio_ alpha?page= 1&op0=starts& filter0=v% C4%ABriya>
>>
>>
>> is it 4 different contexts? The four words in question all are just
>> slight variations of "viriyasambojjang" , but the jj sounds vary .
>>
>> I still don't know the answer to whether the "jj" sound in those 4 words
>> supposed to all sound the same, or slightly different because there's a
>> context that's too subtle for a beginner to see? Is the variation due to
>> a Thai accent in the speaker?
>> Apologies to Bryan if your post explained the answer but I was unable to
>> comprehend it. I assumed Bryan's explanation referred to words that
>> varied more radically than very minor variations of "viryasambojjhanga"
>>
>> -Frank
>>
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