Hi Frank,

I've been studying Sanskrit and Pāli for nine years now and constantly hear different pronunciations. Some have to do with the native language of the speaker, others are interpretive or influenced by preceding or following consonants or vowels. I myself just pronounce the aspirated -jjh- like the g- in "George", (the vowel after the g- forces the j- sound to be aspirated). In linguistic terms it's a voiced, aspirated palatal stop, if that helps. Perhaps others have some suggestions,

Bryan




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From: frank <fcckuan@...>
To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 2:28:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Pali] pronunciation of jj in sambojjhanga


Thanks Bryan,
I understand it a little better now, but still fuzzy on one thing.
Let me ask my question in a slightly different way. I'm a beginner
trying to speak the pali word "viriyabojjhanga" . I go to the audio
dictionary to look it up, and I hear 4 different pronunciations. Which
of the 4 "j" sounds should I be imitating when I speak the word? Which
"j" sound is the preferred way?

http://studies. worldtipitaka. org/audio_ alpha?page= 1&op0=starts& filter0=v% C4%ABriya

vīriyasambojjhaṅgaṃ

vīriyasambojjhaṅgaratanassa

vīriyasambojjhaṅgasampayuttā

vīriyasambojjhaṅgo

On 2/12/2010 10:29 AM, Bryan Levman wrote:
>
> Hi Frank,
>
> bojjhaṅgaṃ comes from Vedic bodhi+aṅgaṃ = bojjhaṅgam (-dh- > -jjh- ;
> it probably went bodhi +anga > bodhyanga > bojjhanga, ). The -jjh- is
> still a stop (like -t- or -d-) but it has been "palatalized" (pushed
> further back in the throat towards the soft palate) because of the -i-
> changing to -y- (which it always does in Sanskrit when it ends one
> word and precedes another word starting with a vowel as in bodhi
> +aṅga). So it sounds like -tth- because it is a phonologically related
> sound, just further back in the mouth. Hope that helps.
>
> Metta, Bryan
>
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> Subject: Re: [Pali] pronunciation of jj in sambojjhanga
>
> Hi Frank,
>
> > What's really puzzling to me is in some of those words, the "jj" sound
> > is similar to a english "j" sound, in other words, it sounds like "ch",
> > in others it sounds like "t". Am I going mad?
>
> If you are I am too. ;-)
>
> The recording of "vīriyasambojjhaṅgaṃ" certainly seems to have a stop
> rather than an affricate to me. (Ie., it sounds like
> vīriyasambotthaṅgaṃ.)
>
> > BTW the audio dictionary at worldtipitaka is an awesome resource.
>
> I had never seen this, it's fantastic. (Though it's a bit of a shame
> that the IPA transliterations are images rather than actual Unicode.)
>
> -Pat
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