Dear Piya,

great to hear about new link.
And I like design, but could you have compassion for the fellow beings 
and change text color from that pale silver to some more readable, preferably black.

Many tnaks
Branko

--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Piya Tan <dharmafarer@...> wrote:

From: Piya Tan <dharmafarer@...>
Subject: Re: [Pali] aasava: which translation is best?
To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 10:26 AM

We have a new link now, Nina:

http://dharmafarer.org

With metta,

Piya

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Nina van Gorkom <vangorko@...> wrote:

>
>
> Dear Piya,
> Op 13-feb-2010, om 2:59 heeft Piya Tan het volgende geschreven:
>
>
> > I'm often guided by the dictum "the word is not the thing." Terms and
> > translations are at best little key-holes or windows for us to open
> > (with
> > the right key) or see through to envision true reality. As such, no
> > translation is perfect, and we need the direct knowledge of
> > mindfulness of
> > that inner eye cultivating stillness and clarity.
> --------
> N: I most heartily agree with you here. If we only think of words we
> shall have theoretical understanding of the Dhamma. But the teachings
> refer to realities in daily life. The characteristics of realities
> can be understood when they appear at the present moment.
> Thus, the aasavas are flowing right now so long as there are
> conditions for their arising. Each section of the Dhamma illustrates
> the truth that what we take for self are only conditioned phenomena.
> We keep on forgetting the truth and thus we have to be reminded again
> and again.
> I quote from my "Cetasikas":
> <There are four aasavas (Dhammasanga.ni 1096-1100):
>
> the canker of sensuous desire, kaamaasava
> the canker of becoming, bhavaasava
> the canker of wrong view, dit.t.thaasava
> the canker of ignorance, avijjaasava
>
> The Atthasalinii (I, Part I, Chapter II, 48) explains that aasavas
> flow from the senses and the mind. In all planes where there is nama
> arising aasavas occur, even in the highest plane of existence which
> is the fourth aruupa-brahma plane. The aasavas are like liquor which
> has fermented for a long time, the Atthasalinii explains. The aasavas
> are like poisonous drugs or intoxicants. The Visuddhimagga (XXIl, 56)
> states that the aasavas are exuding "from unguarded sense-doors like
> water from cracks in a pot, in the sense of constant trickling". The
> aasavas keep on flowing from birth to death, they are also flowing at
> this moment, Are we not attached to what we see? Then there is the
> canker of sensuous desire, kaamaasava. Seeing experiences visible
> object, and shortly after seeing has fallen away there are most of
> the time akusala cittas rooted in attachment, aversion or ignorance.
> When the object is pleasant there is likely to be attachment to the
> object because we have accumulated such a great deal of attachment.
> We are attached to visible object, sound, odour, flavour and tangible
> object. We are infatuated with the objects we experience through the
> senses and we want to go on experiencing them. Because of our foolish
> attachment to what is actually impermanent we have to continue to be
> in the cycle of birth and death. We have to be reborn again and again
> until the cankers have been extinguished. The arahat has eradicated
> the cankers, he does not have to be reborn again. >
> ------
> P: I have chosen "influx" which is close to the etymology, of sense-data
>
> > glowing IN and flooding our sense-faculties, and so defiling our
> > system
> > because we fail to see them as they are. "Effluent" I think comes
> > from EX
> > (out) + fluent, meaning OUT flow. It is used sometimes in reference to
> > industrial waste and pollutant that flow OUT into the drainage
> > system, etc.
> -------
> N: Yes, it is dirty. I like the idea of constant trickling like water
> from cracks in a pot. This happens when the sense-doors are not
> guarded by mindfulness.
> ----------
> >
> > P.: We have just submitted the Sutta Discovery Volume 1 (SD 1) for
> > printing. So
> > far 32 vols (MSS) have been completed, and we hope to publish 2-3
> > vols a
> > year. By 2030, we would have over 100 SD volumes covering the four
> > NIkayas
> > published. We are going slow with this as the works are heavily
> > annotated
> > and try to give a digest of available scholarship and Buddhist
> > traditions.
> > --------
> N: Congratulations. Please would you give a link to your web again?
> ----
> Nina.
>
>
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>
> 
>



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