Hi Thomas,

"Lord of the Saha world" is how I've always understood it per Edgerton, and Edgerton is an authority on Buddhist Prakrits (of which Pāli is one), Metta, Bryan




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From: thomaslaw03 <thomaslaw03@...>
To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 12:49:04 AM
Subject: [Pali] Re: Brahmaa Sahampati


Dear Bryan, Ardavarz, Dhivan,

Thank you very much for your reply.

Do you think, the meaning "Lord of the sahaa (or saha) lokadhaatu" or "Lord of the world" can also be accepted in the Pali tradition? According to Rhys Davids and Bhikkhu Bodhi of the English translations of the Pāli Brahma Sa.myutta, it seems that Sahampati is just used as a name for a Brahmā.

Sincerely,

Thomas Law

--- In Pali@... com, Bryan Levman <bryan.levman@ ...> wrote:
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> Hi Thomas & Ardavarz,
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> According to the Monier Williams dictionary, saha is the name of a division of the world, which occurs with lokadhaatu and means "the world inhabited by men". In the Buddhist Hybrid Sanskrit Dictionary Edgerton gives sahaapati = Paali saha.mpati as meaning "Lord of the sahaa (or saha) lokadhaatu. I have always taken it to mean "Lord of the world", and it is a very common expression in the Buddhist Sanskrit suutras,
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> Best, Bryan
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> From: "Магубад Ð`урджан" <ardavarz@.. .>
> To: Pali@... com
> Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 5:48:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Pali] Brahmaa Sahampati
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> Dear Thomas,
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> You can check the article about Sahampati in Buddhist Dictionary of Pali Proper Names:
> http://www.metta. lk/pali-utils/ Pali-Proper- Names/sahampati. htm
> I am not aware of the name "Sahampati" to be found in the Hindu texts - as far as I know in Hinduism there is one Brahmaa for a period of 36000 kalpas. I think that "Sahampati"could be interpreted as "mighty or enduring lord"(Saha-pati) or perhaps "lord of the enduring" (Saha.m-pati) if we take the adjective as substantive in neuter inferring tatta (Skt. tattva, n) - "that-ness" or "real nature" in Hindu philosophy, but this doesn't harmonize with Buddhist worldview. As is noted in the article above Buddhists derive "Sahampati" from the name of the monk Sahaka lived in the time of Kassapa Buddha.
> Also it could be associated with Sahaa which in the later Mahaayaana cosmology is the name of our particular universe (thus Sahampati meaning something like "lord of this world"), but it would be difficult to agree it grammatically, not to speak that this is a later concept not found in the Pali cannon.
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> With metta,
> Ardavarz
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> --- On Mon, 2/8/10, thomaslaw03 <thomaslaw03@ yahoo.com. au> wrote:
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> From: thomaslaw03 <thomaslaw03@ yahoo.com. au>
> Subject: [Pali] Brahmaa Sahampati
> To: Pali@... com
> Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 1:51 AM
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> Dear Pali friends,
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> I have some questions regarding Brahmaa Sahampati. Hope you can help?
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> Does the term, Sahampati, have any meaning? Is it just a individual name? Is this term Sahampati also found in the early Hindu texts? Is this term entirely a Buddhist word created by the early Buddhists?
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> Thank you very much.
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> Sincerely,
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> Thomas Law
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