Dear Nina,

Many thanks for the explanation.

With mettaa
 D. G. D. C. Wijeratna




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From: Nina van Gorkom <vangorko@...>
To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:00:37 PM
Subject: Re: Q. [Pali] Re: savitakka, savicaara - AN2.2 Adhikara.na Vagga (3)





Dear DC,
appreciating your question.
Op 12-jun-2009, om 16:23 heeft DC Wijeratna het volgende geschreven:

> I find it difficult to understand this: "N: I would like to
> consider more precisely what these five khandhas are:
> ruupakkhandha: all ruupas, including, visible object, sound."
>
> We are of the opinion, that ruupupaadaanakkhand ha is something that
> can be known only by Ariyas. Usual descriptions of ruupa includes
> something formed from the four mahaabhuutas.

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N: It includes the four great Elements (Earth, Water, Fire, Wind) and
the 24 derived ruupas.
Not all ruupas are known by everybody, only those that appear at the
present moment in daily life. The Element of Earth appears through
the bodysense as hardness or softness. There is impingement at this
moment and this ruupa can be understood as only an element, not the
hardness of my body or belonging to a self. Just as natural as that.
The ariyans have eradicated the wrong view of self, but before they
became ariyans they had to begin developing understanding just like
us now. How otherwise could they have fully developed understanding?
One has to be aware and develop understanding of all dhammas that
appear through eyes, ears, nose, tongue, bodysense and mind-door.

Nina.

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