Dear Yong Peng,
Op 29-mrt-2009, om 12:18 heeft Ong Yong Peng het volgende geschreven:

> 'kaayaduccaritassa kho paapako vipaako di.t.the ceva dhamme
> abhisamparaaya~nca, vaciiduccaritassa paapako vipaako di.t.the ceva
> dhamme abhisamparaaya~nca, manoduccaritassa paapako vipaako
> di.t.the ceva dhamme abhisamparaaya~ncaa'ti.
>
> 'indeed, (there is) the bad effect of unwholesome action in this
> life and, so, in the future life, (there is) the bad effect of
> unwholesome speech in this life and, so, in the future life, (there
> is) the bad effect of unwholesome thought in this life and, so, in
> the future life.

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N: Vipaako: effect is not wrong, but in this context I think of kamma
and vipaaka, kamma and result. Actually, vipaakacitta that arises in
the form of rebirth-consciousness or in the form of desirable or
undesirable experiences through the senses.
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> Y.P.: So iti pa.tisa`nkhaaya kaayaduccarita.m pahaaya
> kaayasucarita.m bhaaveti, vaciiduccarita.m pahaaya vaciisucarita.m
> bhaaveti, manoduccarita.m pahaaya manosucarita.m bhaaveti, suddha.m
> attaana.m pariharati.
> Having thought carefully thus, he renounces unwholesome action and
> cultivates wholesome action, renounces unwholesome speech and
> cultivates wholesome speech, renounces unwholesome thought and
> cultivates wholesome thought, (and) maintains himself pure.
> * pa.tisankhaati (v) thinks carefully.
> * pajahati (v) renounces.

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N: The PTS has computation, but this word is not used anymore. As you
say: consider, think carefully. But I think there is more to it, not
just thinking. He considers with awareness and understanding the
realities that appear. 'Considers' or 'discriminates' may cover this.
pajahati: renounces, and another option is: abandons, eliminates.
The Co states further on that the ariyan who develops these two
powers can become an arahat.
Someone with right understanding realizes the true nature of kamma
and vipaaka.
This is already a bala, a power. The co states about bala: this does
not vacillate and it arises with difficulty, it is not easy.
For someone who has developed vipassanaa and realized stages of
insight, sati and pa~n~naa have become balas, powers. It means, that
they can arise at any time, in any situation. Even when akusala
arises, there can be awareness and right understanding of it.
The different stages of insight are denoted by different terms, and
the tenth stage is called knowledge of reflection, pa.tisa"nkhaa
~naa.na. Pa.tisa"nkhaana means discrimination.
As right understanding of realities grows, siila grows. They develop
together.
Nina.





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