P G Dave, John, Nina et al.,

Yes, THANKS. I tried to fix the unicode but to no avail so far.

mike

P G Dave wrote:

>
>
> thanks john,
> this one's a bull's eye.
> the font in the pali got messed up.
> would you kindly re-post using the velthuis scheme...
>
> thanks to you too chanida for the addition from the dhammapada
>
> much metta,
> _________________________________________________
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 5:05 PM, John Kelly <palistudent@...
> <mailto:palistudent%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>> And here is an example from the canon where the Buddha very clearly
>> states that one should not judge others:
>>
>> AN III 350 (AN 6:187 Migasālā sutta)
>> Tasmātihānanda, mā puggalesu pamāṇikā
>> ahuvattha; mā puggalesu pamāṇaṃ gaṇhittha.
>> Khaññati hānanda, puggalesu pamāṇaṃ gaṇhanto.
>> Ahaṃ vā, ānanda, puggalesu pamāṇaṃ
>> gaṇheyyaṃ, yo vā panassa mādiso.
>>
>> Therefore, Ānanda, do not be judgmental regarding people. Do not pass
>> judgment on people. Those who pass judgment on people harm themselves. I
>> alone, Ānanda, or one like me, should pass judgment on people
>>
>> With metta,
>> John
>>
>>
>> --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Pali%40yahoogroups.com>
> <Pali%40yahoogroups.com>, "Poe Jan" <jchanida@...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Here is another close example:
>> >
>> > na paresa.m vilomaani, na paresa.m kataakata.m
>> > attano va avekkheyya kataani akataani ca.
>> > (Dhammapada p.14)
>> >
>> > All the best,
>> > Chanida
>> >
>> > --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Pali%40yahoogroups.com>
> <Pali%40yahoogroups.com>, P G Dave <pgd2507@>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > what I was looking for though, is something to the effect where the
>> buddha
>> > > preaches that a monk should only look at himself and ardently strive
>> for
>> > > greater and greater awareness, etc. rather than attempt to judge
> others
>> on
>> > > the path.
>> > >
>> > > is there something to this effect?
>> > >
>> > > metta,
>> > > pg
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Nina van Gorkom <vangorko@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Dear pg,
>> > > > Op 24-mrt-2009, om 17:34 heeft pgd2507 het volgende geschreven:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > I have noticed quite often people commenting upon others thus,
> "you
>> > > > > have been meditating/studying the dhamma but there is no change in
>> > > > > you!".
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Is there something the buddha said in this regard?
>> > > > ------
>> > > > N:He spoke about the long, long going around in samsara. Because of
>> > > > ignorance. How could ignorance and the other defilements be
>> > > > eradicated within a short time? They were accumulated for so
> long. We
>> > > > know of ourselves that there cannot be a sudden transformation of
>> > > > character, and why commenting on others?
>> > > > Nina.