>>Really, these are the two fundamental motivations to avoid wrong-doing,
>>especially so in a time when a Buddha is not living.
>I hear you. I'm just not so sure of that.
The comment above was made on the basis of Devadhamma Jaataka. Jaataka No. 6.
It is captioned by which could be of interest:
"hiriottappasampannaa sukkadhammasamaahitaa
santo sappurisaa loke devadhammaati vuccareti"
D. G. D. C. Wijeratna
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Subject: RE: hiri and ottappa (Re: ottappa {Re: [Pali] Re: AN2.1.7 Ka.nha Sutta (1/1)})
D.C. Wijeratna wrote thus at 09:52 AM 16-03-09:
>There are no exact equivalents in English or in any other language for the
>range of emotions expressed in the Pali Canon.
I fully agree with you on that. It's a perennial issue in translation, esp. when it comes to mental states.
>Traditionally, ‘hiri’ and
>‘ottappa’ are interpreted as: shame of wrong-doing; fear of wrong doing.
True.
>Really, these are the two fundamental motivations to avoid wrong-doing,
>especially so in a time when a Buddha is not living.
I hear you. I'm just not so sure of that.
In practice, I find shame and fear to arise from sakkaayaditthi. Furthermore, they don't work very well in my spiritual development. OTOH, understanding the causes (as far down as I can) has been a far more effective and lasting solution.
So, with such repeated empirical examples of this in my life, I begin to wonder if the orthodox interpretations of hiri and ottappa are correct.
kb
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