Dear Jim,

The helpful AA definition of ariya,saavaka is helpful; puthuijjana etc are
also defined on the same AA reference.

Ariya,saavaka and sappurisa are often mentioned together too. I think that
sappurisa sometimes refers ariyas and sometimes to their disciples (who are
kalya.na puthujjana). I've discussed SAPPURISA in Section 3 of the Intro to
my Sappurisa Sutta (M 113) translation:

http://earlypalisutta.googlepages.com/23.7SappurisaSuttam113piya.pdf

Any comments are welcome.

With metta,

Piya Tan

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Jim Anderson <jimanderson.on@...>wrote:

> Dear Ven.. Kumara,
>
> I don't know much about this myself but a few weeks ago I came across the
> following comment on "ariyasaavako" in the A"nguttaranikaaya-a.t.thakathaa:
>
> "Ariyasaavakoti atthi ariyo na saavako, seyyathaapi buddhaa ceva
> paccekabuddhaa ca; atthi saavako na ariyo, seyyathaapi gihii anaagataphalo;
> atthi neva ariyo na saavako seyyathaapi puthutitthiyaa. Atthi ariyo ceva
> saavako ca, seyyathaapi sama.naa sakyaputtiyaa aagataphalaa
> vi~n~naatasaasanaa. Idha pana gihii vaa hotu pabbajito vaa, yo koci
> sutavaati ettha vuttassa atthassa vasena sutasampanno, aya.m ariyasaavakoti
> veditabbo." -- Mp I 62
>
> It defines who is called an ariyan but not a disciple, a disciple but not
> an
> ariyan, neither, both. Only buddhas or paccekabuddhas belong to the first
> category. One who is both an ariyan and a disciple is one whose fruit has
> come and does not belong to the first category. Elsewhere, I have seen an
> ariyasaavaka defined as a disciple of an ariyan which would also include
> the
> disciple whose fruit has not come (the 2nd category above). The diffrence
> depends on how one inteprets the compound (kammadhaaraya or tappurisa) and
> in the last sentence with "yo koci... sutasampanno" (anyone who is
> possessed of hearing [the Dhamma]), the ariyasaavaka in the sutta would
> suggest the inclusion of both categories 2 and 4. However, all this needs
> further corroboration and further research.
>
> Best wishes,
> Jim
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > The word "ariya" is often used now to mean one who is among the 8 type of
> > individuals in the standard recollection of the Sangha. However, is this
> > how it is used in the suttas? I see "asekha" for the arahanta and "sekha"
> > for the rest, but not ariya. Ariya is used in other contexts.
> >
> > Any knowledge on this? Know any studies done on this?
> >
> > kb
>
>
>



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