Dear friends
it's funny, but problems with the texts of the pali are often not
only getting the right text but actually understanding the Buddha.
when insight arises there would still be no better way of
explanation to be found than it is in the words of the Blessed one.
and only on enlightenment, really, do the meaning of words shine
forth as perfect and clear.
their meaning is simple, but reality is complex, the Dhamma is
wonderous indeed.
in this case, though, I do not mean to boast, these are simply
familiar life situations:

the story, here too, is quite simple.
in a situation where the Dhamma had been badly expounded by a monk,
the listener lay supporter, will have, though his willingness to
support the monk, a better insight to what should be the limited
extent this monk should be treated.
while in the case of a monk who can truly see into the teachings,
he will himself be able to comprehend the situation, the value of
the Dhamma and the opportunity giving may allow for the listener,
who is, as most often is the case, of a lesser insight.

Metta
Jothiko

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "John Kelly" <palistudent@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Nina,
> Thanks for the commentary information. The explanation doesn't
seem to
> fit the original sutta text - unless I'm misunderstanding it. My
> interpretation was that one who gives thinking about how much they
> have given (e.g. look at me, aren't I wonderful!) is not practicing
> according to Dhamma. Whereas one who gives without thinking about
the
> measure, and where the recipient knows (i.e. it has an impact), is
> doing so.
> What do you think?
> With metta,
> John
> --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, Nina van Gorkom <vangorko@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Branislav and John,
> > The PTS transl in the footnote refers to the commentary: < In
> > perverted systems of teaching the giver should know how much he
has
> > to give. But in this true Dhamma the almsman must be contented
if he
> > gets little, and if he gets in excess he must use only what is
> > necessary.>
> > There is reference to S. II, 200, about giving and receiving.
Someone
> > who is not worthy to get alms from the families wants the others
to
> > give plenty and is vexed if they give not. But someone who is
worthy
> > is contented, also when they give not.
> > Nina.
> >
> > Op 27-feb-2008, om 8:20 heeft Branislav Kovacevic het volgende
> > geschreven:
> >
> > > 314. Bhikkhus, with a badly expounded Dhamma and discipline,
the
> > > measure of a gift should be known by the giver, not by the
recipient.
> > > For what reason? Because of the badly expounded nature of this
Dhamma.
> > > 315. Bhikkhus, with a well expounded Dhamma and discipline, the
> > > measure of a gift should be known by the recipient, not by the
giver.
> > > For what reason? Because of the well-expounded nature of this
Dhamma.
> > >
> > > Here is the full Pali too (since you left some out):
> > > 314. Durakkhaate, bhikkhave, dhammavinaye daayakena mattaa
> > > jaanitabbaa, no pa.tiggaahakena. Ta.m kissa hetu?
Durakkhaatattaa,
> > > bhikkhave, dhammassaa ti.
> > > 315. Svaakkhaate, bhikkhave, dhammavinaye pa.tiggaahakena
mattaa
> > > jaanitabbaa, no daayakena. Ta.m kissa hetu? Svaakkhaatattaa,
> > > bhikkhave, dhammassaa ti.
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>