--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "pgd2507" <pgd2507@...> wrote:

>
> Dear Mahinda, Nina, Piya and others,
>
> I have often come across the term "release of mind" in sutta
> translations. what exactly does it mean? what Pali words are used

to

> mean this term? how does the Buddha define / explain this term?
>
> My understanding (and I could be entirely wrong) has been that

mind by

> its very nature is desire and discontent or in other words is
> synonymous with desire and discontent. Consequently, "release of

mind"

> would mean entering from a state of mind to a state of no mind. Am

I

> making sense...
>
> Kindly help / guide.
>
> with metta,
> PG
>

Hello friends
The difference between Ceto vimutui and Panna vimuti is a difference
in the practitioners temperamental qualities
Ayatanaa, (see aggi sutta, sambojans samyuta) where the difference
relates to the Sambojjangaa, which are the mind characteristics,
samatha/vipassana are the necesary practice, practical approach.
the differences are quite profound and it is the reason for much
recent misunderstanding, due to teachers transmitting their own
particular knowledge.
the practice of the AnaPanaSati is suitablre for both ways, and in
the first part of the AnaPanaSati Sutta, 'the lesson on attention to
the breath process'
there is a description of the different chief disciples as each
teaching a different practice of Dhamma to a group, all leading to
one goal'
Before I wrote some texts on the matter (see ju-buddha yahoo group)
and I still have to add..

Ceto Vimutti is the knowledge of the phenomena of the mind' the
control of extra sensual, super natural mental abilities, relatimg
to 'mind over matter'
this is the 'extra ordinary', the miracle, the success that fulfils
desire.
a while ago in the english Buddhist society journal, there was this
story about Oygen Herrigel, the writer of 'Zen and the art of
archery'. it seems that actually, in Japan, archery and zen were two
different form of practice, but both were practiced by his teacher.
one day, the story goes, that teacher preformed an extra ordinary
feat by hitting, eyes blind folded, a bull's eye and hitting that
arrow too, by a second one.
Herrigel was naturally dumbfounded but the teacher was deeply
disturbed.
this was the extra ordinary, the special. in his zen practices he
was looking for the simplicity of the 'ordinary mind' , not for the
sucess and achievment.

in the practic of Samatha, the practitioner attains a Jhana, next,
he will analyse : is it the 'made up', a result of a process,
Sankhata, a conditioned phenomena?
or is it the unmade, Asankhata, the unconditioned, Nibbana?
if he understand, since his mind does not tend to exertion into the
advanced stages of Samatha, that it is still the made, and any
further effort, too, may lead to advanced, but similarily 'made up'
states, he may gain enlightenment.
this is 'release by wisdom'.

when this happens beyond the fourth Jhana, it is 'a release by both'
( there is an attainment of the states of calm that are beyond the
senses'
(Ayatana-Arupa Jhanaa),this is ceto vimuti panna vimuti.

can there be a reference solely to 'Ceto Vimutti'?
attainment only of the Ayatanaa or of miraculous powers without
further understanding?
this may be apart the Buddha's teachings, actually, as this seems to
be the ideal, the goal of the teachings the Bodhisatta has received
from his own former teachers.
a teachings he had denounced as 'not leading to calm, to release, to
cessatiom'.
this is the only option open to halucinogenic based practices, by
the way.

the difference, and it is truly a fundemental one , an ice berg of
meanning, is the simple 'release of heart' , the balanced wisdom
of 'the teachings that are special to buddhas' (see Upali Sutta M.
N. ). it is the eight fold path, the denial of both materialistic
and idealistic conceptions in favour of the simple 'truth of the
moment' and the 'right way' of dealing with any possible situation
that is the unfolding of 'Sammaa'.
to follow R.K. Norman translation of Nibbana' as 'play' , hence one
is not following the 'rules' of the Asavaa, the worldly game.


Metta
Jothiko