Dave,

In that case, for a more comprehensive, you should try this annotated
translation
of the Satipatthana Sutta, and see for yourself:

http://dharmafarer.googlepages.com/03SatipatthanaSm10piya.doc

With metta,

Piya Tan

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:40 PM, dkotschessa <dkotschessa@...> wrote:

> --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <Pali%40yahoogroups.com>, "Ong Yong Peng" <
> pali.smith@...> wrote:
>
> > As for the English-to-Pali translation, I would encourage you to go
> > through them, partially if not in full. Although it may be true,
> there
> > isn't any (commercial?) value learning English-to-Pali translation,
> > there isn't really much opportunities for Pali-to-English
> translators
> > either. Hence, I view this issue totally differently from Bhikkhu
> Bodhi.
> >
> > I think the Pali-to-English exercise develop my analysis skill, the
> > ability to analyse Pali passages using a tool, which happen to be
> > another language, English. On the other hand, the English-to-Pali
> > exercise develop my synthesis skill, the ability to construct
> > sentences in Pali. This forces me to think in Pali, and allows me to
> > better appreciate the Pali sentences I read. It allows the reader to
> > connects with the author.
>
> Being able to "think in Pali" is part of my goal. I think the
> ultimate goal for any Pali student would be the ability to
> conceptualize a word without necessarily having to refer to it's
> English equivalent. What's the English word for dukkha? Nobody
> knows - there really isn't one. I appreciate the richness of that
> word and would like to get it from other words as well. I have a
> sense that translating from English would get me closer to that
> goal. I suppose I am answering my own question now.
>
> > It's not so much about 'value'. If you think it's good, then go for
> it.
> >
> > Besides, many of us, including Nina and myself, have went through
> the
> > book together and put up the solutions online. We hope someone will
> > come along someday to go through the solutions, and let us know of
> any
> > mistakes.
>
> At some point I do hope to catch up to what you are all doing here in
> these exercises. I will be sure to look closely!
>
> > Btw, Dave, are you the one who were organising Pali study group in
> > your area, or was it the other Dave or someone else. Frankly, I am
> > getting a bit confused between you two. Would appreciate if you can
> do
> > some intro again. Thank you.
>
> Well you asked for it. :)
>
> First, no, that wasn't me. I live in Wilmington, Delaware. This is
> mostly a solitary pursuit, and I'm lucky to find anybody interested
> in Buddhism where I am, much less Theravada, much much less Pali. I
> started studying Pali near the end of last year. I have been on and
> off, but gradually moving forward. I was recently at the Bhavana
> Society in West Virginia and something about being there gave me a
> little push to go forward again.
>
> Actually, and it may seem like a small thing, but finding that Pali
> word processor gave me a big boost. One of my reasons for fizzling
> out was that I simply hate writing things down on paper, and it takes
> me forever. I have been a typist since 8 years of age when I got my
> first computer. I do not have the patience for writing.
>
> Been practicing for somewhere between 4 and 7 years (when does
> practice "start?") but my initial interest was zen. I still
> participate in zen retreats but my main interest of study right now
> is Theravada. Aside from working on Pali I am going through Bhikkhu
> Bodhi's Majjhima Nikaya course on his website.
>
> I am also am undertaking a one year exploration of the Satipatthana
> sutta, from a laypersons perspective. I actually got the idea from
> someone who was "blogging the bible" believe it or not. But my blog
> is here:
>
> http://bloggingthesatipatthana.blogspot.com/
>
> I have a 52 week plan for exploring the Satipattana sutta in
> meditation and daily life.
>
> I believe I have said enough for now! Thank you.
>
> -DaveK (the other other Dave)
>
>
>



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