Dear John,

many thanks for your kindness in translating this passage.
Let it bring you much happiness.

Metta,
Branko



John Kelly <palistudent@...> wrote: Dear Branko,

I will take a shot at your question about breaking down the sentence:
Evameva.n kho, bhikkhave, appakaa te sattaa ye vavassaggaaramma.na.m
karitvaa labhanti samadhi.m...
evameva.n = so too
kho = indeed
bhikkhave = bhikkhus
appakaa = few
te = those
sattaa beings
ye = which
vavassaggaaramma.na.m = vavassagga + aaramma.na.m (tappurisa compound)
vavassagga = relinquishment
aramma.na.m = support, basis
karitvaa = having made/done
labhanti = they gain
samadhi.m =concentration

"So too, bhikkhus, few are those beings who gain concentration having
taken relinquishment as its support ..."

With metta,
John
--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, Branislav Kovacevic <ja_sam_branko@...>
wrote:

>
> Dear Yong Peng,
>
> of course it's not too late, since you clarified the meaning so

extensively. Now I'm pretty sure I grasped the right meaning of that
passage. Since translation itself is still obscure because of the
wording, I've added a footnote for the reader.

>
> In the meantime, I continued with the same book and in the fourth

vagga (AN I.333-334) came upon two compounds whose meaning I can't
figure out:

>
> 333. Evameva.n kho, bhikkhave, appakaa te sattaa ye

vavassaggaaramma.na.m karitvaa labhanti samadhi.m...

> 334. Evameva.m kho, bhikkhave, appakaa te sattaa ye

annaggarasaggaana.m laabhino...

>
> aarammaṇa: a sense-object, but what abut the rest?
>
> I've checked your translation and it seems you also had a problem.

For "vavassaggaaramma.na.m karitvaa" Nina suggested:

> "N: I would think: resolution to strive, to reach the goal, to attain
> liberation from the cycle."
> but I'd like to know what are the constituent words for both of

these expressions.

>
> Many thanks,
> Branko
>

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