Dear Nina,
many thanks once again for your clarifications.
Metta,
Branko
Nina van Gorkom <
vangorko@...> wrote: Dear John and Branislav,
Op 28-feb-2008, om 6:06 heeft John Kelly het volgende geschreven:
My
interpretation was that one who gives thinking about how much they
have given (e.g. look at me, aren't I wonderful!) is not practicing
according to Dhamma. Whereas one who gives without thinking about the
measure, and where the recipient knows (i.e. it has an impact), is
doing so.
N: I also find it a difficult sutta. Here is my own interpretation
(not saying it is the only possibility): When a bhikkhu does not
understand kamma and vipaaka, he may think of the person of the
giver, and think that the giver will know what to give. Hoping to
receive a lot.
When he does understand he knows that whatever is received is the
result of his own kamma, and that he should be contented. He has
equanimity, no matter he receives much or little.
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> 314. Bhikkhus, with a badly expounded Dhamma and discipline, the
> > > measure of a gift should be known by the giver, not by the
> recipient.
> > > For what reason? Because of the badly expounded nature of this
> Dhamma.
> > > 315. Bhikkhus, with a well expounded Dhamma and discipline, the
> > > measure of a gift should be known by the recipient, not by the
> giver.
> > > For what reason? Because of the well-expounded nature of this
> Dhamma.
> > >
> > > Here is the full Pali too (since you left some out):
> > > 314. Durakkhaate, bhikkhave, dhammavinaye daayakena mattaa
> > > jaanitabbaa, no pa.tiggaahakena. Ta.m kissa hetu? Durakkhaatattaa,
> > > bhikkhave, dhammassaa ti.
> > > 315. Svaakkhaate, bhikkhave, dhammavinaye pa.tiggaahakena mattaa
> > > jaanitabbaa, no daayakena. Ta.m kissa hetu? Svaakkhaatattaa,
> > > bhikkhave, dhammassaa ti.
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Branislav: Nina, could you please clarify that reference S. II.200.
Which sutta is that in Chattha Sangayana Tipitaka?
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N: This is the PTS reference. Samyutta NIkaaya, Nidaana vagga, Ch
XVI, Kassapa samyutta, ยง4.
This explains how not to think of giving: 'Let them only give to me
abundantly..."
Nina.
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