Re: King's of the Buddha's Time by Bhikkhu Amritananda

Ven. Piya Tan wrote: "Brahma's invitation is early in the Buddha's
ministry, reported mostly in the Mahavagga of the Vinaya (V 1:7)."

If no other information is given in a citation like this, what
publication should we assume is being cited?

Is the "1:7" within the Maha Vagga of the Vinaya?

Also do you know of anyone who has studied historical differences in
Tipitaka versions?

I'm interested because of the Mon Tipitaka (Southern Burma). I'm just
wondering whether they have a Tipitaka that is slightly different that
goes back a long way or whether it has been brought into line with the
Burmese version at the some point. Same goes for the Shan/Tai
Tipitaka. Trying to define what would be unique about the Pali
Buddhist literatures of these cultures. There was a conference at SOAS
on Tai Buddhism in December actually and that would have included
papers on their textual traditions. Will try to find out what happened
there.

Thanks,
Jon Fernquest

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Piya Tan" <dharmafarer@...> wrote:
>
> Jon,
>
> Actually Brahmanimantanika Sutta is M 49, where it is the Buddha who
goes up
> to the Brahma world, and Mara succeeds in blinding the brahmas
there! It's
> like
> John Milton's Paradise Lost with Satan succeeding, but the Buddha
knows what
> is going on.
>
> Brahma's invitation is early in the Buddha's ministry, reported
mostly in
> the Mahavagga
> of the Vinaya (V 1:7).
>
> Anyway if anyone else can help, I will be most grateful.
>
> Thanks again Jon.
>
> Piya
>
>
> On Feb 8, 2008 9:21 PM, Jon Fernquest <bayinnaung@...> wrote:
>
> > Ven. Piya Tan wrote: "Sorry for this abrupt change of topic, but
does
> >
> > any know if any scholars have written on the origin or roots of the
> > "Brahma's Invitation" story (V 1:7 etc). I remember some time back
> > coming across a journal or book title on this."
> >
> > Sorry, can't really answer your question yet, but I know where to
begin,
> > "Google book search" and "Google scholar" show:
> >
> >
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=Brahmanimantanika+Sutta&spell=\
> >
1<http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=Brahmanimantanika+Sutta&spell=1>
> >
> >
http://books.google.com/books?q=Brahma-nimantanika+Sutta&btnG=Search+Boo\
> >
ks<http://books.google.com/books?q=Brahma-nimantanika+Sutta&btnG=Search+Books>
> >
> > (I actually tried to look in the indexes of paper books first!)
> >
> > Gombrich touched upon it and also Bhikkhu Nanamoli.
> >
> > Breadcrumbs like from scholars like this are a great way of learning.
> >
> > Over at the Chinese History website there used to be an entrance exam,
> > that was open book, so it was effectively a great way of learning
about
> > Chinese history. All the answers were in Wikipedia subject to a close
> > reading.
> >
> > Thanks for the bread crumbs.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Jon Fernquest
> >
> > --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <Pali%40yahoogroups.com>, "Piya Tan"
> > <dharmafarer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry for this abrupt change of topic, but
> > > does any know if any scholars have written on the origin or roots of
> > the
> > > "Brahma's
> > > Invitation" story (V 1:7 etc). I remember some time back coming
across
> > a
> > > journal
> > > or book title on this.
> > >
> > > I have read interesting articles on the possible sources of Ambattha
> > of the
> > > Ambattha
> > > Sutta, that is, Svetaketu of the Upanishads. It is interesting
to see
> > how
> > > the Buddha
> > > and the early Buddhists revamp such ideas for their audience.
And also
> > > reminds us
> > > of the true context of suttas when translating them.
> > >
> > > With metta,
> > >
> > > Piya Tan
> > >
> > >
> > > On Feb 7, 2008 8:00 PM, Jon Fernquest <bayinnaung@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear List;
> > > >
> > > > "King's of the Buddha's Time" (1983) by Bhikkhu Amritananda of
Nepal
> > > > (now deceased)
> > > >
> > > > This is a really fantastic book that I would recommend to anyone
> > > > interested in Pali literature.
> > > >
> > > > It is full of useful background information and puts Jataka
stories
> > > > into context.
> > > >
> > > > Often you hear names when reading the Tipitaka that can sometimes
> > not
> > > > have meaning for the reader due to limitations in knowledge. This
> > book
> > > > weaves together disparate parts of the Tipitaka into
biographies and
> > > > narratives and provides this background info.
> > > >
> > > > It only cost 80 baht (2.5 US dollars) at the bookstore across from
> > Wat
> > > > Benjamapopit (sorry for spelling) which leads me to believe
that the
> > > > price was set more to cover the cost of paper than to make any
> > profit,
> > > > with an aim to disseminating this work as widely as possible.
> > > >
> > > > Which leads me to conclude that a lot of authors of works probably
> > > > would be open to making their work available on the internet, if
> > asked
> > > > politely with objective of non-profit dissemination made clear.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Jon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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