gnosis.panya & other group members,

is anyone aware of any audio lessons for learning pali in a natural style --
perhaps somewhat akin to the way a child learns a language.
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On 2/7/08, P G Dave <pgd2507@...> wrote:
>
> that was sweet.
> and so clear.
> do u also sometimes record yourself while reading aloud and listen to the
> play back?
>
> thanks for the effort, brother.
>
> metta
> ___________________________
>
>
> On 2/6/08, gnosis.panya <gnosis.panya@...> wrote:
> >
> > I am not totally sure or all the hows of my learning process.
> > Always been a musical person and hypersensitive to sound.
> > Learning fast has always come natural to me.
> >
> > I can give some advice to one who would like to memorize texts or
> > learn language.
> > Perhaps I will be rehashing some advice given online but I will try
> > to explain what happens.
> >
> > I do not speak any foreign languages fluently due to life
> > circumstances so I am no "guru". I have yet to study any intensively.
> >
> > For example: in Lithuanian I only know the name of the language and
> > how to say excuse me. No grammatical awareness.
> > Hebrew: A few dozen sentences. Slight grammatical knowledge.
> > German. Many words. Quite a few sentence structures are understood.
> > About 20 or 30 more in between those. Some I can read some I can only
> > pronounce.
> >
> > Every few weeks I simply listen to language audio.
> > If I cannot find any there is a setback but not a huge one if the
> > language is somewhat phonetic. Pali is good in this circumstance.
> >
> > In that case I read out many words slowly and think of all the indian
> > accents of people I know.There will have been changes over the years
> > but it does help to get it into my head.After a while i felt the S-O-
> > V structure getting into my head.
> > I knew where to put things.
> >
> > I am interested in memory training but I find myself moving away from
> > mnemonics and onto rote memory training.I memorized For Whom The Bell
> > Tolls - John Donne in about 3 readings outloud. (89 words, 14
> > lines)Repetition is key, review is the foundation.
> >
> > For languages place new words in old structures.
> >
> > Example:
> > I am cooking.
> > understand that sentence.
> > while cooking say it outloud or internally.
> >
> > then when writing replace that one word.
> >
> > In some languages that use dual verbs that can be difficult to start
> > with but pali i think does not have that problem.
> >
> > I am not totally sure what I do that works so well but I just hear,
> > repeat, imagine with many senses and I know it.
> >
> > Not sure if any of that is the slightest perhaps we can chat online
> > some more about it and I can get feedback from you to help give me
> > the motivations needed to look deeper at the proccess.
> >
> > Audio is only my dominant learning style but I build the others
> > constantly aswell. That is making hearing stronger.
> >
> > Have a good day there P G Dave.
> >
> > --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <Pali%40yahoogroups.com>, "P G Dave"
> > <pgd2507@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear gnosis.panya,
> > >
> > > it would be lovely if you described the process / steps you follow
> > for audio
> > > learning. many of us and I for sure would bnefit from applying your
> > method.
> > >
> > > metta,
> > > ______________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/5/08, gnosis.panya <gnosis.panya@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Opinions may differ and life is all the richer for it but true
> > > > compassion is not an opinion (in my opinion), just a flower
> > waiting
> > > > to be born in our hearts.
> > > >
> > > > Now Piya, please tell me about your experiences with pali and the
> > > > tipitaka and any hints and some less than obvious things you have
> > > > noticed.
> > > >
> > > > How close can learning through the books come to reading th
> > tipitaka?
> > > >
> > > > Also, do you know of any metre studies that i can use to read
> > outloud
> > > > the text so I can use my ear to train myself in the use of the
> > > > language? (I use audio learning very well.)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks very much.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <Pali%40yahoogroups.com><Pali%40yahoogroups.com>, "Piya Tan"
> > > > <dharmafarer@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, right in every way: your happiness is very important to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > If only there are more wise people, the world would be such a
> > > > happier place.
> > > > >
> > > > > Piya Tan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Feb 4, 2008 4:18 PM, gnosis.panya <gnosis.panya@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > No no Piya.
> > > > > > No need to apologize. I am not offended.
> > > > > > Even if I was, I see no reality that persuades me to take it
> > > > > > seriously, nor personnally.
> > > > > > Mistake perhaps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was born with a brain capable of many things but the heart
> > > > capable
> > > > > > of many more, I wish to do some things and not others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > May we work together to build this friendship. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are forgiven certainly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <Pali%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <Pali%40yahoogroups.com><Pali%40yahoogroups.com>, "Piya Tan"
> > > > > > <dharmafarer@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Gnosis.panya,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In that case, i deeply apologize. May others benefit from my
> > > > errors.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Khamatu ma.m ~naa.na,pa~n~na.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Piya Tan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Feb 4, 2008 8:46 AM, gnosis.panya <gnosis.panya@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thankyou very much for your answer Dmytro. That is a good
> > > > help.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Double vowels occur sometimes and i think they are perhps
> > > > typos
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > not scriptural errors in some of the scripts the writing
> > of
> > > > two
> > > > > > > > vowels in that way is not really possible so would ned
> > little
> > > > > > > > correction. It is knowing what to correct to that is
> > difficult
> > > > > > > > without a correct version.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi there Piya. How are you?
> > > > > > > > I am not here to be impolite or to hide anything from
> > anyone.
> > > > > > > > I have no method of deception and using an "alias" is
> > certain
> > > > not
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > either.I think there needs not be any debate as to wether
> > the
> > > > > > > > internet is a a safe place or not.It is not like in real
> > life
> > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > being in the company of people doing naughty things will
> > have
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > negative influence on oneself but simply by using ones
> > name
> > > > > > people do
> > > > > > > > many underhanded things and I feel no problem with doing
> > that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > By calling myself gnosis.panya I do not mean to say I am
> > all
> > > > wise
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > all knowing. But merely that my heart feels that what this
> > > > world
> > > > > > > > needs is wisdom. Certainly also compassion, strength,
> > virtue
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > charity. Monks have different names and noone accuses
> > them of
> > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > secretive by the use of them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am no monk but does a name make or break a monk?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I offer you my good intentions Piya and there is nothing
> > else
> > > > I
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > give.
> > > > > > > > May you live a live of love and may you find what you are
> > > > looking
> > > > > > for.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On that note I shall go shopping for food.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > May you all be happy and have a good day, rain or not.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <Pali%40yahoogroups.com><Pali%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <Pali%40yahoogroups.com><Pali%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dmytro O.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ivakhnenko" <aavuso@>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Gnosis,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The text has many difficulties (life also) that are
> > hard
> > > > to
> > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > out.
> > > > > > > > > > Such as:
> > > > > > > > > > is the j a 'z' sound?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > why are there a lot of 2 vowel pairs even though it
> > is not
> > > > > > > > proper
> > > > > > > > > > pali.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > For example?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If one is to memorize, must one go with one variant
> > over
> > > > > > another?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Perhaps.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Where can I find each of these textual tradition for
> > > > download?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thai edition
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Not available for download
> > > > > > > > > http://www.mahidol.ac.th/budsir/budsir-main.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sixth Council edition
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Not available for download
> > > > > > > > > http://www.dhammasociety.org/mds/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sinhalese (Buddha Jayanti) edition
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://www.buddhistethics.org/palicanon.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > any older texts such as kharosthi, or gandharan?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://www.buddhanet-de.net/ancient-buddhist-texts/
> > Buddhist-
> > > > > > Texts/
> > > > > > > > BT-index.htm
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am in the process of creating a nicely organized
> > > > version of
> > > > > > > > the one
> > > > > > > > > > at tipitaka.org
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I would recommend
> > > > > > > > > http://www.tipitaka.org/cst/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > See also:
> > > > > > > > > http://dhamma.ru/sadhu/
> > > > > > > > > http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?showforum=50
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > > > > > Dmytro
> > > > > > > > >
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