Dear Dhivan,
Op 17-dec-2007, om 18:24 heeft Dhivan Thomas Jones het volgende
geschreven:

> I especially
> appreciated the quotation from the Paraayana towards the end, as this
> makes clearer to me the meaning of saddhaa in the Upanisa Sutta - that
> it is connected to understanding of dukkha and to mindfulness.
> However, you did not give any references to the lokuttara cittas that
> I asked about. Is this more of an Abhidhamma concept I wonder?

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N: Your original question: <Could you provide any references in the Pali
canon for the view that there are some dhammas (you mention the
lokuttara cittas) which are not subject to pa.ticca samuppaada? >

The Co to the first book of the Abhidhamma, the Atthasaalinii, (II,
Part VIII) compares the building up of the conditions for samsara
with the building up of a stockade. The lokuttara cittas
(transcendental jhaanas) are like the knocking it down.
<But this is, even as , when a man having heaped up a stockade
eighteen cubits high, another man taking a large hammar were to go on
knocking down and demolishing what had been heaped up. So it sets
about pulling down and demolishing decease and rebirth heaped up by
the three-planed moral consciousness, by bringing about a deficiency
in the causes thereof; hence it is 'leading to dispersion for the
putting away of [wrong] views.>

Even kusala that is kaamaavacaara, ruupa-jhaana and aruupa-jhaana (of
the three planes of citta) by itself does not lead to the end of the
cycle. Only pa~n~naa developed to the stage of lokuttara, magga-
pa~n~naa can achieve this.
The above quote shows that lokuttara cittas are leading out of samsaara.
The Book of Analysis (Vibhanga, second book of the abhidhamma) Ch
6, treats the pa.ticca samuppaada also in the same way as most
suttas and as the Visuddhimagga, thus it deals with the conditions
for being in the cycle. Its Co. , the Sammohavinodanii, Dispeller of
Delusion, p. 262, gives at the end an exhortation to develop the way
leading out of it:
<[Therefore] in accordance with the Order
Consisting of Competency-Learning-Reflection-Practice
The wise act always in regard thereto
for there is nothing other than that which more needs to be done.>

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Nina.



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