Dear Dhivan,
Op 13-dec-2007, om 9:38 heeft Dhivan Thomas Jones het volgende
geschreven:

> Could you provide any references in the Pali
> canon for the view that there are some dhammas (you mention the
> lokuttara cittas) which are not subject to pa.ticca samuppaada?

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N: As we study the pa.ticca samuppaada in the Visuddhimagga (Path of
Purification) Ch XVII, the conditional arising of the dhammas is
given that keep us in samsara. This is the same as is given in most
suttas.
However, the Upanisa sutta teaches another aspect.
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> Dh: By way of
> contrast, I would mention that in the Upanisa Sutta (Sa.myutta Nikaya
> 12:23) dhammas from pamojja to aasavakhaayañaana are said to arise in
> a causally conditioned sequence, and Bhikkhu Bodhi in his essay
> 'Transcendental Dependent Arising', concerned with this sutta, refers
> to the Nettipakarana for the phrase 'lokuttara pa.ticca samuppaada'.

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N: This is correct. I have the book, BPS Kandy.
There is a turning point in the sequence of conditions leading to
rebirth. The understanding of dukkha leads to confidence (saddhaa),
and this to other conditions, leading to liberation from the cycle of
birth and death.
The Netti quotes the paraayana (Sutta Nipaata):
<Whatever streams are in the world,
Ajita' the Blessed One said
'They are shut off by mindfulness;
The streams' restraint I tell, whereby
They can be sealed, is understanding.>

The magga pa~n~naa of the arahat eradicates ignorance completely and
then there will be the end of the cycle.
Nina.




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