An ariyasaavaka (m.), ariyasaavikaa (f.) is assumed to be sutavaa as opposed to puthujjanas, who are commonly described as assutavaa and therefore asekha. This excludes, I believe, that the term ariyasaavaka could in any way denote puthujjanas.
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Ole Holten Pind

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Sendt: 14. september 2006 07:54
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Emne: [Pali] Ariyasaavaka ?



Dear friends

Does the word 'ariyasaavaka' in the Nikaayas necessarily refer to the sekha or asekha? Could it just refer to putthujjana?

According to the following commentarial passgaes, the term ariyasaavaka seems not necessarily means sekha or asekha:

Mp I 63:
Idha pana gihii vaa hotu pabbajito vaa, yo koci sutavaati ettha vuttassa atthassa vasena sutasampanno. aya.m ariyasaavakoti veditabbo.

Vibha-a 119
Ariyasaavakoti ariyassa buddhassa saavako.

Do you happen to find other canonical or commentarial passgaes which confirms that ariyasaavaka could be a term for puthujjana.

with metta

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