Dear Dmytro and Yong Peng,
At first I also thought of aruupa jhaanas, but this was my rpoblem:
internally, as to own body.
And externally: limited, whereas for aruupa jhana it is not limited, and he
sees no forms. It is free of materiality.

So I looked at PTS translation as: unconscious which I did not find good.
Not conscious of, not aware of seems better. I took the *a* negation for the
whole word aruupasa~n~nii.

I consulted the Co to the Mahaanidaana Sutta, as translated by Ven. Bodhi.
He also quotes the subco:< 'possessing material form' means endowed with the
material form in one's own continuity that is distinguished as the cause for
jhaana...>
'One not perceiving material forms internally sees material forms
externally.'
Co: This means that he does not arouse the fine-material sphere jhanas on
his own headhairs, etc. By this the fine-material sphere jhanas are shown
for someone who does the preparatory work externally and arouses jhaanas
only externally.>
end quote. Perhaps this could be of help?
Nina.
op 13-06-2006 10:56 schreef Dmytro O. Ivakhnenko op aavuso@...:

This is about arupa jhanas throuh kasina practice.

See the translation of Thanissaro Bhikkhu:

(iii) "One percipient of the formless internally sees forms externally
as limited, beautiful & ugly. Mastering them, he is percipient of 'I
know; I see.' This is the third dimension of [mental] mastery.

(iv) "One percipient of the formless internally sees forms externally as
immeasurable, beautiful & ugly. Mastering them, he is percipient of 'I
know; I see.' This is the fourth dimension of [mental] mastery.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/sutta/anguttara/an10-029.html




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