Hi S. Umanathan,

>Siddhartha Gotama was a Sakyan. Even today, we have the existence

of

> Sakyan racial stock in India. They are neither Aryan nor Dravidian
> race of India.

Do you mean they look like Himalayan race, similar to Tibetan? Could
you tell us where do they live in India? Any connection with the
race of the Buddha? According to the Pali tradition, King
Virudhaka/Vidudabha (Kosala) committed genocide against the tribe of
the Sakya and destroyed Kapilavatthu/Kapilavastu during the time of
the Buddha.

Regards,

Thomas Law

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Sakya" <sakyaumanathan@...> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> It is well said by Sri K. Loganathan.
>
> Siddhartha Gotama was a Sakyan. Even today, we have the existence
of
> Sakyan racial stock in India. They are neither Aryan nor Dravidian
> race of India.
>
> But Siddhartha renounced his race, nation, culture as he renounced
> his family. After renouncing all bondages only HE could become
> Buddha. Buddhas ancesters were previous Buddhas. The Buddha vamsa
> (Buddhas of the past, Buddhas of the present and Buddhas of the
> future) nothing to do with any race, gender, caste, national and
> religious differences.
>
> Buddha is a universal phebomina. Buddha's path is an Universal
path.
>
> No race, no religion, no nation has the right of Buddha. Buddha
> belongs to all beings.
>
> =================================================================
> Universal Dhamma
> =================================================================
> It may be harmful to Humanity, if a group of people calls
themselves
> as Buddhists and clime Buddha and Dhamma as their property,
>
> Air, sun, light are natural and universal. Every one enjoys the
> benefits. But the human made things, which are owned by few are
not
> beneficial to all. It is limited to a few.
>
> Dhamma is natural and universal. It should be open to all. A
message
> of Buddha should be given to all beings irrespective of their
caste,
> religion, sect etc. Dhamma should be kept open to all.
>
> Today the Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha looked very narrowly as
Buddhism.
> Practicing some rituals, ceremonies, chanting, bowing in front of
> Buddha's statues are considered as Dhamma. Many of the so-called
> Buddhists least bother about Right Speech, Right Action, Right
> Livelihood and Compassion etc.
>
> Individual like Babasaheb, Pandit Iyothi Thass and many other
> scholars of Dhamma for last 2550 years must have looked Dhamma
with
> their perspective. Reading their texts may help as to develop a
> correct perspective to understand the True and Universal Dhamma
with
> our own wisdom. But these individuals' teachings should not become
> dogmas on the name of Dhamma and their names should not be misused
to
> develop dogmatic sectarian faiths.
>
> The real scholars of Dhamma never wish any sectarian elements on
the
> name of Buddha and Dhamma.
>
> The words Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha are Universal Concepts. Buddha
> means the Enlightenment, Dhamma means the Truth and Sangha means
> saintliness. These words should not be taken as Buddhist Gods,
> Buddhist Religion and Buddhist Monks.
>
> Buddha is not a God of Buddhist, but He is a symbol of
Enlightenment.
> Dhamma is not a Buddhist Religion, but It is a Universal Truth.
> Sangha is not Buddhist monk. The True Sangha is the real Saint,
who
> is pure in their mind, speech and action.
>
> Let the True and Universal Dhamma spread on the earth.
> Let the manifested Dhamma benefit all beings.
> Let the sectarianism and dogmatism wither away.
> Let all beings develop purity in mind, speech and action.
> Let the Right Understanding and Right wisdom spread on the earth.
>
> May all beings enjoy the real peace and harmony
>
> May all beings be happy!
>
> Metta
> S. Umanathan
> May all beings be happy!
>
> --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "K. Loganathan" <ulagankmy@> wrote:
> >
> > Just wondering: Was Gautama Buddha a <representative of Ariya
> higher varna> as claimed below? I am shocked for I thought Buddha
> preached against VarNa Thinking. Am I wrong here? Is this an
attempt
> to introduce the typical European racialism into Buddhism which
has
> not seen any racialism at all and does not condone it right from
the
> beginning.
> >
> > Loga
> >
> >
> > "Dmytro O. Ivakhnenko" <aavuso@> wrote:
> > Hi Thomas,
> >
> > > I wonder any one in this group knows the Buddha's racial
> appearance
> > > according to the Pali texts. He was born in the Nepal region.
The
> > > inhabitants in the region at that time may be closer to the
> Himalayan
> > > race.
> >
> > As a representative of Ariya higher varna, Buddha must have
looked
> like
> > like Slav, Osset, or Persian (Iranian-Afghan).
> >
> > Genetic analysis shows that the higher varnas in India still are
> much
> > closer genetically to Europeans, than the lower varnas.
> >
> > http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/05_01/Indo-
European.shtml
> > https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html
> >
> > Probably the earliest Gandhara and Mathura images preserve his
> features:
> >
> > http://www.answers.com/topic/buddhahead-jpg
> > http://www.gandhara.com.au/gandhara_showcase5.html
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MathuraBodhisattvaSide.JPG
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dmytro
> >
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