Dear Tzung-Kuen,

This is very interesting. Would it be possible for you to send a mail quoting the Chinese phrases? I would like to have a look at them without having to trace the phrases myself. In general the negation na is verbally bound and cannot be constructed with a noun or an adjective. In the present case we would expect the Chinese translation to reproduce a compound like vastvaprati.s.thitena "not based upon or supported by an object/thing," which evidently is not the case.

Best regards,
Ole Pind

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Sendt: 24. marts 2006 17:18
Til: Pali@yahoogroups.com
Emne: Re: [Pali] Na Negatives a word not whole sentence


Dear Rett and friends

--- rett <rett@...
An interesting piece of the puzzle is that sometimes
negating a single word and negating the whole
statement amount to the same thing. I'm thinking of
cases where the word 'na' negates the finite verb. By
negating the main verbal action you effectively negate
the sentence as a whole.

Please excuse me for discussing Sanskrit here.
However, this might also be of help for studying Pali,
I hope.

I raise this question because there seems to be a
difference between modern English translations and
ancient Chinese traslations of one and the same
sentence in the Sanskrit Vajircchedika:

...na bodhisattvena vastuprati.s.thitena daana.m
daatavya.m...

for whch Mullier's translation is

..a gift should not be given by a Bodhisattva, while
he believes in objects

Conze's is

...not by a Bodhisattva who is supported by a thing
should a gift be given...

In both cases, na negatives the whole statement or the
main verb, daatavya.m. But, it seems that all the
ancient Chinese translations had na negative
vastuprati.s.thitena, and the meaning becomes

a Bodhisattva, while not living in (being attached to)
objects, should give gift.

Doesn't the latter translation differ from the former
one?

Any comment is much appreciated.

with metta

Tzung-Kuen





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