Re: -tvA again: Gerund as Future?

Dear Abhinavagupta,

> As the suffixes clearly show in the Pali example below, only one

action occurs in the

> future.

I don't think the above statement is necessarily true. If I were to
say in Pali, "Tomorrow I will go to the village and buy a mango", I
think it would be something like "Suve gaama.m gantva amba.m
ki.nissaami." Here both actions occur in the future, including the
action of "going" indicated by the gerund. This could also be
translated in English, as "Tomorrow, having gone to the village, I
will buy a mango", but, as a native English speaker, I can assure you
that this construction would be much less frequently used than the former.

The gerund usually just indicates action preceding other actions, that
is, the relative past, and does not necessarily describe the absolute
past.

With metta,
John

>--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "abhinavagupta" <abhinavagupta@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> With respect, may I point out that in John's example below the sense

and the force of the

> main verb (aanessanti) is being greatly weakened to the point of

being non-distinct from

> the gerunds.
>
> As the suffixes clearly show in the Pali example below, only one

action occurs in the

> future.
>
> Below are the links to the earlier discussions. I looked in these

but was unable to see by

> whose authority one may ascribe `futureness' to gerunds. So, if you

would share where

> this is coming from I'd greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks for your patience.
>
>
> > > 5.Addhaa te dhanuuni aadaaya vana.m pavisitvaa miga.m maaretvaa
> > > aanessanti.
> > > certainly / they / bows / having taken / forest / having entered /
> > > deer / having killed / will bring
> > > Having taken the bows, entered the forest and killed the deer, they
> > > certainly will bring it.
> >
> > Certainly they will take their bows, enter the forest, kill the deer,
> > and bring it back.
>
>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pali/message/9544>
>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pali/message/9547>
>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pali/message/9556>
>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pali/message/9563>
>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pali/message/9566>
>