You should analyse the compound as "having ajijjaa as upanisaa", and so on.

Best

Ole Pind


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Sendt: 14. oktober 2005 20:40
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Emne: [Pali] Translation problem # 3 SN XII.23

Dear Flobert, Alan, Ole, Rett, and group,


14. The monkeys will not fall from the tree.
kapayo/ na paatessanti / rukkhamhaa
Kapayo rukkhamhaa na paatessanti.

> Kapayo rukkhamhaa na patissanti.

Regarding Tr. Problem #3, I'm still trying to sort this one out. Warder
writes (p.137): 'A bahubbiihi compound is always equivalent to a relative
(subordinate) clause: "who has/was....". "which has/was....'. But this does
not seem to fit Alan's passage:"iti kho, bhikkhave, avijjuupanisaa
sa'nkhaaraa, sa'nkhaaruupanisa.m vi~n~naa.na.m, vi~n~naa.nuupanisa.m
naamaruupa.m, naamaruupuupanisa.m sa.laayatana.m...." I don't see the
relative clauses in this passage. One would have to extend the various
parts, it seems to me, e.g., "avijjuupanisaa sa.mkhaaraa dukkhassa
sa.mvattanti." Then have a relative clause, "Kammic formations which are
ignorance-caused conduce to suffering." Perhaps in this case the first word
is bahubbiihi (but why not tappurisa?). In other words, "avijjuupanisaa
sa.mkhaaraa" seems a complete statement to me: "Kammic formations [are]
ignorance-caused." In this, "Ignorance-caused" sounds to me like tappurisa 3
or 5 (instr.or ablative), "caused by/from ignorance." For example, if we
say: rukkhapatitaa manusaa, this is T5 (Buddhadatta/49), "the men [are]
fallen from the tree." Is not this grammatical form just like
'avijjuupanisaa sa'nkhaaraa'?
Of course, I am quite a novice at compounds, and am happy to be corrected on
these and other interesting Paali points of grammar by those more expert
than I.-- Rene




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