Hello all,

I'm sorry I am bothering everyone so much with this sutta, but I finding
it far more difficult that others I've translated. Here is my third (and
hopefully final) problem.

I'll post my attempt below along with my comments afterwards:

*``iti kho, bhikkhave, avijjuupanisaa sa’nkhaaraa, sa’nkhaaruupanisa.m
vi~n~naa.na.m, vi~n~naa.nuupanisa.m naamaruupa.m, naamaruupuupanisa.m
sa.laayatana.m, sa.laayatanuupaniso phasso, phassuupanisaa vedanaa,
vedanuupanisaa ta.nhaa, ta.nhuupanisa.m upaadaana.m, upaadaanuupaniso
bhavo, bhavuupanisaa jaati, jaatuupanisa.m dukkha.m, dukkhuupanisaa
saddhaa, saddhuupanisa.m paamojja.m, paamojjuupanisaa piiti,
piituupanisaa passaddhi, passaddhuupanisa.m sukha.m, sukhuupaniso
samaadhi, samaadhuupanisa.m yathaabhuuta~naa.nadassana.m,
yathaabhuuta~naa.nadassanuupanisaa nibbidaa, nibbiduupaniso viraago,
viraaguupanisaa vimutti, vimuttuupanisa.m khaye~naa.na.m. *

``iti [indec] thus

kho, [indec] indeed

bhikkhave, [m-u/voc/pl] bhikkhus

avijj [f-aa] ignorance

uupanisaa [adj/m/nom/pl] caused

avijjuupanisaa [kammadhaaraya] ignorance-caused

sa’nkhaaraa, [m-a/nom/pl] kammic formations

sa’nkhaar [m-a] kammic formations

uupanisa.m [adj/n/nom/sg] caused

sa’nkhaaruupanisa.m [kammadhaaraya] kammic formation-caused

vi~n~naa.na.m, [n-a/nom/sg ] consciousness

vi~n~naa.n [n-a] consciousness

uupanisa.m [adj/n/nom/sg]caused

vi~n~naa.nuupanisa.m [kammadhaaraya] consciousness-caused

naamaruupa.m, [n-a/nom/sg] mentality and materiality

naamaruup [n-a] mentality and materiality

uupanisa.m [adj/n/nom/sg]caused

naamaruupuupanisa.m [kammadhaaraya] mentality and materiality-caused

sa.laayatana.m, [n-a/nom/sg] the six sense bases

sa.laayatan [n-a] six sense bases

uupaniso [adj/m/nom/sg caused

sa.laayatana.m [kammadhaaraya] six sense base-caused

phasso, [m-a/nom/sg] contact

phass [m-a] contact

uupanisaa [adj/f/nom/sg]caused

phassuupanisaa [kammadhaaraya] contact-caused

vedanaa, [f-aa/nom/sg] feeling

vedan [f-aa] feeling

uupanisaa [adj/f/nom/sg]caused

vedanuupanissaa [kammadhaaraya] feeling-caused

ta.nhaa, [f-aa/nom/sg] craving

ta.nh [f-aa] craving

uupanisa.m [adj/n/nom/sg] caused

ta.nhuupanisa.m [kammadhaaraya] craving-caused

upaadaana.m, [n-a/nom/sg] attachment

upaadaan [n-a] attachment

uupaniso [adj/m/nom/sg]caused

upaadaanuupaniso [kammadhaaraya] attachment-caused

bhavo, [m-a/nom/sg] becoming

bhav [m-a] becoming

uupanisaa [adj/f/nom/sg]caused

bhavuupanisaa [kammadhaaraya] becoming-caused

jaati, [f-i/nom/sg] birth

jaat [f-i] birth

uupanisa.m [adj/n/nom/sg]caused

jaatuupanisa.m [kammadhaaraya] birth-caused

dukkha.m, [n-a/nom/sg] suffering

dukkh [n-a] suffering

uupanisaa [adj/nfnom/sg]caused

dukkhuupanisaa [kammadhaaraya] suffering-caused

saddhaa, [f-aa/nom/sg] confidence

saddh [f-aa] confidence

uupanisa.m [adj/n/nom/sg]caused

saddhuupanisa.m[kammadhaaraya] confidence-caused

paamojja.m, [n-a/nom/sg] gladness

paamojj [n-a] gladness

uupanisaa [adj/f/nom/sg]caused

paamojjuupanisaa [kammadhaaraya] gladness-caused

piiti, [f-i/nom/sg] rapture

piit [f-i] rapture

uupanisaa [adj/f/nom/sg] caused

piituupanisaa [kammadhaaraya] rapture-caused

passaddhi, [f-i/nom/sg] tranquility

passaddh [f-i] tranquility

uupanisa.m [adj/n/nom/sg]caused

passaddhuupanisa.m [kammadhaaraya] tranquility-caused

sukha.m, [n-a/nom/sg] happiness

sukh [n-a] happiness

uupaniso [adj/m/nom/sg]caused

sukhuupaniso [kammadhaaraya] happiness-caused

samaadhi, [m-i/nom/sg] concentration

samaadh [m-i] concentration

uupanisa.m [adj/n/nom/sg]caused

samaadhuupanisa.m [kammadhaaraya] concentration-caused

`yathaa [indec] according to

bhuuta [bhuu I/pp] grown, become; born, produced

yathaabhuuta [kammadhaaraya] according to the existed/reality

~naa.na [n-a] knowing/knowledge

dassana.m [n-a/nom/sg] seeing

~naa.nadassana.m [dvanda] knowing and seeing

yathaabhuuta~naa.nadassana.m [kammadhaaraya] knowing and seeing
according to reality

yathaabhuuta~naa.nadassan [n-a] knowing and seeing according to reality

uupanisaa [adj/f/nom/sg]caused

yathaabhuuta~naa.nadassanuupanisaa [kammadhaaraya] knowing and seeing
according to reality-caused

nibbidaa, [f-aa/nom/sg] disgust with worldly life

nibbid [f-aa] disgust with worldy life

uupaniso [adj/m/nom/sg]caused

nibbiduupaniso [kammadhaaraya] disgust with worldly life-caused

viraago, [m-a/nom/sg] destruction of passions

viraag [m-a] destruction of passions

uupanisaa [adj/f/nom/sg]caused

viraaguupanisaa [kammadhaaraya] destruction of passions-caused

vimutti' [f-i/nom/sg] liberation

vimutt [f-i] liberation

uupanisa.m [adj/n/nom/sg]caused

vimuttuupanisa.m [kammadhaaraya] liberation caused

khaye [m-a/loc/sg] about destruction

~n~naa.na.m, [n-a/nom/sg] knowing

Thus indeed, bhikkhus, kammic formations are ignorance-caused;
consciousness is kammic formation-caused; mentality and materiality are
consciousness-caused; the six sense-bases are mentality and
materiality-caused……………..etc.




Anyway, this reminds one of the famous pattern:

avijjaapaccayaa sa'nkhaaraa etc.

However the grammar seems completely different. Instead of using the
ablative to say "with 'such and such a condition' comes 'such and
such'," it seems as though the first part above, i.e., avijjuupanisaa
sa'nkhaaraa is actually related as an adjective to a noun. Thus, instead
of glossing upanisaa as a feminine noun, it must be an adjective
agreeing with sa'nkhaaraa that is itself related to avijjaa in a
kammadhaaraya compound. So, I think that in order for the above to work,
it must be "ignorance-caused" as an adjective and then it becomes
"kammic formations are ignorance-caused." Otherwise I simply can't make
any sense out of it. Can anyone clarify for me if my reasoning here is
sound and if I have the correct grammatical analysis above, or if I am
wrong and I am forcing something where there is a simpler relationship
between the terms that I am just missing.

I really appreciate it, this sutta is challenging me. At least I'll
learn something.

Metta,

Alan