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Dear Ole Holten Pind (and Ttzungkuen Wen and all)

How are you?

You wrote:

"However, you are referring to the numbering of the suttas of the
Burmese version of Kaccayana, from which Burmese scholars at some
point excised two suttas,.."

Thank you for this clarification.

I did supect that it might have been the issue of numbering.

It is good to know that there is a Sinhalese version with different
numbering system from the Cha.t.thasangiiti Kaccayana versions from
Myanmar.

And, which two suttas had been excised from the Burmese versions
which are retained in your Sinhalese Kaccayana version, if it is not
too much a hassle for you and when you have spare time to review
your version?

The excised suttas are 244-45 in the Sinhalese version.

OHP

Thanking you in advance,

Best wishes!

Suan Lu Zaw


--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Ole Holten Pind" <oleholtenpind@...>
wrote:

You are quite right Suan Lu Zaw. However, you are referring to the
numbering of
the suttas of the Burmese version of Kaccayana, from which Burmese
scholars at
some point excised two suttas, presumably under the influence of the
10th
century commentary on Kaccayana, Mukamattadipani, which considers
them
superfluous. My reference is to the Sinhalese version of Kaccayana,
which
differs from the Burmese one on that point.

With best wishes,

Ole Pind



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Emne: [Pali] Kaccayana Sutta 310 Refers To Locative Case: ( Was Re:
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Dear Ole Holten Pind and Ttzungkuen Wen and all

How are you?

Ole Pind wrote:

"Kaccayana sutta 310 states that the genitive case is used in
the sense of the instrumental case."

Kaccayana sutta 310 states as follows:

310. Kamma kara.na nimittatthesu sattamii.

Sattamii is the locative case, not the genitive case.


However, Kaccayana sutta 308 states the following:

308. Cha.t.thii ca.
Tatiyaasattamiinam atthe ca kvaci cha.t.thiivibhatti hoti.

"In some cases, the genitive case occurs in the sense of the
instrumental case and locative case."


Best wishes,


Suan Lu Zaw

www.bodhiology.org





--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Ole Holten Pind" <oleholtenpind@...>
wrote:

Dear Dr. Pind

Thanks very much for your clarification. Now I understand the point.
Does Kaccaayana-vyaakara.na, which you're editing now, has a rule
saying that
genitive case also denotes agent in a sentence?

Not exactly, but Kaccayana sutta 310 states that the genitive case
is used in
the sense of the instrumental case. This rule is based on the
assumption among
indigenous grammaians that a word in the instrumental case in
construction with
a ta-participle is used to denote the agent.
The idea that e.g. enclitic me or no are instrumentals is due to a
flawed
analysis of Pali usage.


By the way, when will you finish your work on Kaccaayana-
vyaakara.na,? I can't
wait to see it.

It is more or less finished. Hopefully, I shall see it published in
about 6
months.

With best wishes

Ole Pind


with metta

Tzung-Kuen










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