Hello Nina,

Thank you for the quick reply. Perhaps you could explain to me a bit
more about the difference between "contact" and "sense contact." The
sutta speaks of the six sense-bases (including the mind) and then the
contact related to those six senses. To me this allows us to call it
sense-contact. Since the mind is a sense, then thought (a very general
term) would also be sensed by the mind, or as you say, "contact arises
with thinking." My point is that with the mind as a sense base, any
contact related to the mind as sense-base could be considered "sense
contact." Do you see things differently?

Nina van Gorkom wrote:

>Hi Alan,
>thank you very much. Great work, I appreciate this.
>I only have a few alternatives, but of course, the way of translating
>depends on the personal inclination of the translator.
>
>phasso: sense contact: phassa is a cetasika arising with each citta, not
>only with sense impressions. It arises also with thinking, it arises with
>jhaanacitta which does not experience sense impressions. Here, in the D.O it
>arises with vinnñaa.na which is vipaakacitta, result of kamma. Phassa also
>arises with lokuttara citta that experiences nibbaana.
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Alan's translation says:

>text: <And the four great elements and the derived form of the four
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>>great elements>.
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Nina commented:

>Another option: the four great elements and the derived material phenomena.
>This means: the other twentyfour ruupas that arise in dependence on the four
>mahaabhuuta ruupas that are present in each group (kalapa) of ruupa. The
>word 'form' for ruupa may confuse.
>
>

Alan replied:

Thank you, I will change this.
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Nina commented:

text: nirujjhanti. [ni+rudh III/ind act/3rd pl]they cease: this is passive form of nirundhati. They are destroyed or they cease, as you translated. The double jj form is often is passive. (Warder)

Alan responded:

Thanks for catching that! I'll fix it immediately.


Metta,

Alan