Dear Alan,
Reply below:
In
Pali@yahoogroups.com, Alan McClure <alanmcclure3@...> wrote:
> > There have been several discussions going on in the Buddhist
Philosophy
> forum regarding the concepts 'mindstream' and 'store conciousness'
as
> central to later texts such as the Abhidhamma, notably alaya- and
mula-
> vijnana (will be posting questions about that in Sanskrit forum).
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1.Abhidhamma is not a later text.
2. It is not helpful to think of bhavanga as like a storehouse and
the Abhidhamma doesn't suggest that it is.
>
> But also, have located other terms which may be relevant. Both are
based
> on the term bhavanga: bhava + anga = factor of life, or
indispensable
> cause or condition of existence. And the specific terms under
discussion
> are bhavanga-citta and bhavanga-sota, cited as being in the
Nikayas.
>
> Question 1: These terms bhavanga-citta and bhavanga-sota are Pali,
correct?
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Yes they are pali words.
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>
> If yes, further questions. I located an old e-sanga post
> <http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?
act=ST&f=24&t=15181&hl=&view=findpost&p=216841>,
> which states:
>
> Bhavanga (bhava-anga), which, in the canonical works, is mentioned
twice
> or thrice in the Patthána, is explained in the Abhidhamma
commentaries
> as the foundation or condition (kárana) of existence (bhava), as
the
> sine qua non of life, having the nature of a process, lit. a flux
or
> stream (sota). Herein, since time immemorial, all impressions and
> experiences are, as it were, stored up, or better said, are
functioning,
> but concealed as such to - full consciousness, from where however
they
> occasionally emerge as subconscious phenomena and approach the
threshold
> of full consciousness, or crossing it become fully conscious. This
> so-called 'subconscious life-stream' or undercurrent of life is
that by
> which might be explained the faculty of memory, paranormal psychic
> phenomena, mental and physical growth, karma and rebirth. etc. An
> alternative rendering is 'life-continuum'.
>
> It should be noted that bhavanga-citta is a karma-resultant state
of
> consciousness (vipáka, q.v.), and that, in birth as a human or in
higher
> forms of existence, it is always the result of good, or wholesome
karma
> (kusala-kamma-vipáka), though in varying degrees of strength (s.
> patisandhi, end of the article). The same holds true for rebirth
> consciousness (patisandhi) and death consciousness (cuti), which
are
> only particular manifestations of subconsciousness. In Vis.M. XIV
it is
> said:
>
> 'As soon as rebirth-consciousness (in the embryo at the time of
> conception) has ceased, there arises a similar subconsciousness
with
> exactly the same object, following immediately upon
> rebirth-consciousness and being the result of this or that karma
> (volitional action done in a former birth and remembered there at
the
> moment before death). And again a further similar state of
> subconsciousness arises. Now, as long as no other consciousness
arises
> to interrupt the continuity of the life-stream, so long the life-
stream,
> like the flow of a river, rises in the same way again and again,
even
> during dreamless sleep and at other times. In this way one has to
> understand the continuous arising of those states of consciousness
in
> the life-stream." Cf. viññána-kicca. For more details, s. Fund.
11.
> (App.).'"
>
> The above quote seems to mix Sanskrit and Pali term in its
descriptions.
>
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No sanskrit in the passage that was quoted - all pali.
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> Question 2: What are the best interpretations of the two terms
> bhavanga-citta and bhavanga-sota?
>
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In my opinion it is better to leave bhavanga untranslated. Although
life -continuum could be 'ok'. Bhavanga is not 'sub-consciousness'
as it is a citta (and citta is translated as consciousness).
Robertk