Hello Alan,

I agree with Nina. Shorter posts are more digestible.

Thanks for your good work.

Metta, John

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Alan McClure" <alanmcclure3@...> wrote:
> Hello Nina,
>
> Thank you for the quick response. Well, of course it is ultimately
up to
> Yong Peng as the moderator, as you say, but I do want to make sure
that the
> majority of the people who are following the project don't feel it
is going
> to quickly. You seem to have some reservations, and John Kelly
expressed
> reservations about going to quickly, but he has yet to comment about my
> posts yesterday. I'll keep my ears open.
>
> I will comment on your comments below:
>
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>
>
> Nina: As to the pace: this depends on the moderator. I can only say
that for
> me
> two suttas are much, because I also want to pay attention to Yong Peng's
> Anguttara Nikaya. I can divide this over the whole week, but I am
not sure I
> can manage. It depends on what others say.
> I have no vote, because in three weeks I go away to India for five
weeks.
> op 10-09-2005 16:17 schreef Alan McClure op alanmcclure3@...:
> >
> > Here is the first installment of the Sa.myutta series
> -------
> text: With the condition of consciousness arise body and mind. With the
> condition
> of body and mind, arises the six sense-bases.
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> N: body and mind: naama and ruupa: here naama are specifically the
cetasikas
> arising with consciousness, viññaana which is vipaakacitta (Vis. Ch 17,
> 186). Ruupa refers to the four Great Elements and the derived ruupas.
> The Vis. translates: mentality-materiality. This is more general.
The word
> mind stands mostly for citta.
>
> A: I like this suggestion and prefer it over what some other people
use:
> "Name and form" which I don't quite think sound right in English.
> I will change it to "Mentality-materiality"
>
>
>
>
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> Text: jaatipaccayaa jaraamara.na.m
sokaparidevadukkhadomanassupaayaasaa
> sambhavanti.
> ....
> domanassu[m-a] mental distress
> -------
> N: domanassa. The u belongs to upaayaasaa.
>
> A: Thank you for catching this. I knew there were bound to be some
> mistakes. ;-)
>
>
>
>
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> Text: Upaadaananirodhaa [abl] cessation of clinging
> bhavanirodho. [nom] cessation of sentient existence
> "With the cessation of clinging, comes the cessation of sentient
existence."
> (kaama, ruupa, aruupa)
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> N: bhava: becoming is more general. Sentient existence does not
cover all.
> Sentient: seems to be connected more with becoming in sense planes.
We also
> have to consider the planes that are results of ruupajhaana and
> aruupajhaana. Birth in the asaññasatta plane where there is only
ruupa, not
> naama, no experiences, is the result of ruupajhaana.
>
> A: "Sentient existence" was a choice I made early on. I have since
reverted
> back to "Becoming" but apparently missed changing it in this sutta.
Thanks
> for catching it. The other suttas including SN XII.3 that you haven't
> gotten to yet, should all use "Becoming" already, and I'll change it
here.
>
>
> Metta,
>
> Alan