Hello Nina,

Thank you for the quick response. Well, of course it is ultimately up to
Yong Peng as the moderator, as you say, but I do want to make sure that the
majority of the people who are following the project don't feel it is going
to quickly. You seem to have some reservations, and John Kelly expressed
reservations about going to quickly, but he has yet to comment about my
posts yesterday. I'll keep my ears open.

I will comment on your comments below:
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Nina: As to the pace: this depends on the moderator. I can only say that for
me
two suttas are much, because I also want to pay attention to Yong Peng's
Anguttara Nikaya. I can divide this over the whole week, but I am not sure I
can manage. It depends on what others say.
I have no vote, because in three weeks I go away to India for five weeks.
op 10-09-2005 16:17 schreef Alan McClure op alanmcclure3@...:

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> Here is the first installment of the Sa.myutta series

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text: With the condition of consciousness arise body and mind. With the
condition
of body and mind, arises the six sense-bases.
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N: body and mind: naama and ruupa: here naama are specifically the cetasikas
arising with consciousness, viññaana which is vipaakacitta (Vis. Ch 17,
186). Ruupa refers to the four Great Elements and the derived ruupas.
The Vis. translates: mentality-materiality. This is more general. The word
mind stands mostly for citta.

A: I like this suggestion and prefer it over what some other people use:
"Name and form" which I don't quite think sound right in English.
I will change it to "Mentality-materiality"




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Text: jaatipaccayaa jaraamara.na.m sokaparidevadukkhadomanassupaayaasaa
sambhavanti.
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domanassu[m-a] mental distress
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N: domanassa. The u belongs to upaayaasaa.

A: Thank you for catching this. I knew there were bound to be some
mistakes. ;-)




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Text: Upaadaananirodhaa [abl] cessation of clinging
bhavanirodho. [nom] cessation of sentient existence
"With the cessation of clinging, comes the cessation of sentient existence."
(kaama, ruupa, aruupa)
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N: bhava: becoming is more general. Sentient existence does not cover all.
Sentient: seems to be connected more with becoming in sense planes. We also
have to consider the planes that are results of ruupajhaana and
aruupajhaana. Birth in the asaññasatta plane where there is only ruupa, not
naama, no experiences, is the result of ruupajhaana.

A: "Sentient existence" was a choice I made early on. I have since reverted
back to "Becoming" but apparently missed changing it in this sutta. Thanks
for catching it. The other suttas including SN XII.3 that you haven't
gotten to yet, should all use "Becoming" already, and I'll change it here.


Metta,

Alan