Dear Nina and friends
I appreciaye your respond,
The point of death, or birth, in regard to taking the holy life,
'brahmacariya' and indeed the practice, is attachments.

the eight fold path as successive stages, implies the addoption of
compassion and renounciation as right intention
'sama sankapo'- from the beginning of the path.

and certainly as a direct, unavoidable consequence of right view
'sama ditthi pahoti sama sankapo', I think it is M.N. 117.
not enough has been said about it, unfortunately...

now is there a connection: pahoti- pahana... probbably not,
but letting go, as a cause...

Bhikkhu Jothiko

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, Nina van Gorkom <vangorko@...> wrote:
> Venerable Bhante,
> I thank you for your post. I did not follow the thread before this,
but I
> appreciate the way you write about your life story, in the way of
Dhamma.
> Also your life as a bhikkhu, renunciation as a kind of death, being
> homeless, outside of society. About the burden.
> I also read in the Commentary that becoming a bhikkhu is like a new
birth.
> With appreciation and respect,
> Nina.
> op 24-08-2005 15:04 schreef jothiko op jothiko@...:
>
> > Self as memories, accumulated experience, familiar, recognized,
> > proved
> > `Educated' being, physical-mental phenomena, the `story',
> > And even that misled, mostly fabricated, glossed.
> >
> > How does one answer that?
> > Born of sankharas, there was so much ignorance …