Hello Sitalo,

Yes, I thought that you were saying that the Jhana states were "in action,"
so to speak, after enlightenment, when you really meant that there were no
obstacles to achieving them after enlightenment. No disagreements here.
Thank you for your post that clarified, and I'm sorry that I didn't
understand what you intended the first time.

Metta,

Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sitala (Zorigto)" <sitalatwo@...>
To: <Pali@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Pali] Re: Jhana


> Dear Alan
> you are trying to say that Jhaana is not attainable
> without a try/practice? is that understood rightly?
> Well, what it seems to me even from that passage you
> refered to in Mahaparinibbaana Sutta, towards his last
> moments of life, the Buddha proceeded through whole
> stages of Jhaanas, beginning from the first
> Ruupavaavacara Jhaana up to the fourth Aruupa Jhaana,
> well, look from the point, that he did it in the
> manner that it went as smooth as no obsacle had been
> faced. The point is, once a person becomes
> Enlightened, for him there is no obstacles arise on
> the way to gain Jhaanas, for he had eradicated all his
> defilements, that if a person still has them, will not
> allow him to gain Jhaanas. In fact the Jhaana stands,
> as it understood by me, for One-pointed absorption of
> the object of meditation.
> It will not allow a person to be gained, if there is
> such things/obstacles as restlessness, doubt, anger,
> greed, etc. defilements. If there is no
> defilements/obstacles, then there is no distraction at
> all.
> That is why, I had expressed it to be called as
> automatic, but in here you are right, it is not
> totally automatic, it is rather something close to it,
> just a little effort had to be applied by the
> Enlightened.
> with respect
> sitalo
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