The early literature seems to corroborate the assumption that suraa and
meraya are kinds of majja, cf. the version of the basic precepts at
Mahaasudassanasuttanta D II 173 ... majja.m na
paatabba.m .... paacittiya 327, however, specifies: suraamerayapaane
paacittiya.m.

Best wishes,

Ole

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Emne: Re: SV: [Pali] The precepts: abstention from alcohol

Dear Ole,

I wonder if anyone has noted the commentarial glosses something like the
following:

sura = "strong" drink
meraya = stronger than sura (less water?)
majja = very "dry" liquor (strongest of them all).

Sorry I do not mention the source (probably DA): hopefully someone can.

Sukhi

Piya

--- Ole Holten Pind <oleholtenpind@...> wrote:

> Hello Allan,
>
> Just a minor addition to Dmytro's note. Pamaada,t.thaana means cause
> of
> intoxication, and majja denotes any alcoholic beverage. Suraa and
> meraya are
> two kinds of such beverage, as Dmytro explaine. Put together the
> compound in
> the context means abstention from the cause of intoxication, namely
> alcohol
> like suraa and meraya.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Best,
>
> Ole Pind
>
>
>
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> Alan
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> Emne: [Pali] The precepts: abstention from alcohol
>
> Hello All,
>
> In the Jivaka sutta of the Anguttara Nikaya, we have the case of
> abstention
> from alcohol discussed. The relevant section is:
>
> yato kho, jiivaka, upaasako paa.naatipaataa pa.tivirato hoti.
> adinnaadaanaa
> pa.tivirato hoti, kaamesu micchaacaaraa pa.tivirato hoti,
> musaavaadaa
> pa.tivirato hoti, suraamerayamajjapamaadatthaanaa pa.tivirato hoti;
>
> ettaavataa kho, jiivaka, upaasako siilavaa hotii''ti.
>
> Understanding that pa.tivirato means "abstaining from," I am trying
> to
> understand what it is, in fact, that should be abstained from in the
> case of
>
> alcohol.
>
> The particular word in question is:
> suraamerayamajjapamaadatthaanaa
>
> I am not sure what type of compound this is, so I am not able to
> decipher
> its meaning, though I can see the components of "rum and spirits,
> intoxicants," etc.
>
> So, is it indeed the case that this compound is refering to the
> abstention
> from:
>
> "alcohols, spirits and intoxicants [that lead to] heedlessness"
>
> or abstention from:
>
> "alcohols, spirits and intoxicants [to the point of] heedlessness."
>
> I appreciate your knowledge, as the differences between the various
>
> compounds are generally still beyond me.
>
> Metta,
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
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