Hello Allan,

Just a minor addition to Dmytro's note. Pamaada,t.thaana means cause of
intoxication, and majja denotes any alcoholic beverage. Suraa and meraya are
two kinds of such beverage, as Dmytro explaine. Put together the compound in
the context means abstention from the cause of intoxication, namely alcohol
like suraa and meraya.

Hope this helps.

Best,

Ole Pind



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Fra: Pali@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Pali@yahoogroups.com] På vegne af Alan
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Sendt: 12. august 2005 02:58
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Emne: [Pali] The precepts: abstention from alcohol

Hello All,

In the Jivaka sutta of the Anguttara Nikaya, we have the case of abstention
from alcohol discussed. The relevant section is:

yato kho, jiivaka, upaasako paa.naatipaataa pa.tivirato hoti. adinnaadaanaa
pa.tivirato hoti, kaamesu micchaacaaraa pa.tivirato hoti, musaavaadaa
pa.tivirato hoti, suraamerayamajjapamaadatthaanaa pa.tivirato hoti;
ettaavataa kho, jiivaka, upaasako siilavaa hotii''ti.

Understanding that pa.tivirato means "abstaining from," I am trying to
understand what it is, in fact, that should be abstained from in the case of

alcohol.

The particular word in question is:
suraamerayamajjapamaadatthaanaa

I am not sure what type of compound this is, so I am not able to decipher
its meaning, though I can see the components of "rum and spirits,
intoxicants," etc.

So, is it indeed the case that this compound is refering to the abstention
from:

"alcohols, spirits and intoxicants [that lead to] heedlessness"

or abstention from:

"alcohols, spirits and intoxicants [to the point of] heedlessness."

I appreciate your knowledge, as the differences between the various
compounds are generally still beyond me.

Metta,

Alan






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