Hi Allan, John,
Thanks! The interesting thing about this construction is that although the
verb is future the actual time reference is past. This is very important to
remember when translating dependent clauses introduced by yatra hi naama.
Cf. those with katha.m hi naama; see CPD s.v. katham.
Best,
Ole
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Hello John, Ole,
It does indeed seem that this word should be "pa~n~naayissati," and not
"pa~n~naayati" as I reference the last paragraph of p.181 of lesson 21. It
must be a mistype.
Metta,
Alan
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From: "John Kelly" <palistudent@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: SV: [Pali] Pali - Every few days - [C277]
Dear Ole,
Thanks for your feedback on my work. Unfortunately, since I am
travelling at the moment I too don't have access to my copy of Warder,
so cannot check to see whether I made a typographical error, and all
the instances of "pa~n~naayati" should be "pa~n~naayissati", or
whether Warder got his text from some source other than PTS. Perhaps
somebody else on the list would be kind enough to check this for us,
or else it can just wait until mid-September when I get back to my
home base.
Would you change the translation here based on your observation?
With metta,
John
--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Ole Holten Pind" <oleholtenpind@...> wrote:
> Dear John,
>
> I do not have a copy of Warder in my library. The passage below,
however,
> does not correspond exactly to the canonical text it reproduces,
namely the
> Aga.n.nasuttanta PTS ed. P. 92. Cf. my note inserted below.
>
> Best,
>
> Ole Pind
>
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> Kelly
> Sendt: 8. august 2005 21:16
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> Emne: [Pali] Pali - Every few days - [C277]
>
> Pali - Every few days - [C277]
> Warder - Exercise 21 (page 176)
> Passages for Reading 2 (Part 37 of 41)
>
> atha kho te Vaase.t.thaa (read Vaase.t.tha, voc. sg) sattaa
sannipati.msu,
> sannipatitvaa anutthuni.msu, paapakaa vata bho dhammaa
> sattesu paatubhuutaa,
> then / indeed / these / Vasettha (and Bharadvaja) /
> beings / they assembled / having assembled / they
> lamented / evil / alas! / friend / things / among
> beings / appeared
> Then, Vasettha and Bharadvaja, these beings assembled
> and lamented, "Alas! Evil things have appeared among
> us.
>
> yatra hi naama adinn-aadaana.m pa~n~naayati
>
> (read pa~n~naayissati everywhere, 3. sg. fut.; yatra hi naama is almost
> invariably constructed with the future to express either surprise,
> amazement, or reproach or loathing; this usage was interestingly
known to
> the Sanskrit grammarian Paa.nini, who addresses it in his grammar),
>
> garahaa
> pa~n~naayati, musaa-vaado pa~n~naayati,
> da.n.daa-daana.m pa~n~naayati,
> in as much as / not given-taking / is discerned /
> accusation / is discerned / false-speech / is
> discerned / stick-giving / is discerned
> Since theft has appeared, accusation has appeared,
> lying has appeared, and punishment has appeared,
>
> yan nuuna maya.m eka.m satta.m sammanneyyaama.
> what if / we / one / being / we would elect
> why don't we elect one being among us
>
> so no sammaa-khiiyitabba.m khiiyeyya,
> sammaa-garahitabba.m garaheyya, sammaapabbaajetabba.m
> pabbaajeyya.
> he / for us / rightly-ought to be indignant / he would
> be indignant / rightly-ought to be accused / he would
> acccuse / rightly-ought to be banished / he would
> banish
> who would become indignant over what rightly ought to
> cause indignation, accuse whomever rightly ought to be
> accused, and banish whomever rightly ought to be
> banished.
>
> maya.m pan' assa saaliina.m bhaaga.m anuppadassaamaa
> ti.
> we / moreover / to him / rice / share / we will grant
> / (end-quote)
> Moreover we would grant to him a share of the rice."
>
> Metta, John
>
>
>
>
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