op 26-07-2005 18:37 schreef Ong Yong Peng op yongpeng.ong@...:
Dear Yong Peng,
now I am at the second part.

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> 5. "Seyyathaapi, bhikkhave, udakarahado aavilo lu.lito kalaliibhuuto
> tattha cakkhumaa puriso tiire .thito na passeyya sippisambukampi
> sakkharaka.thalampi macchagumbampi carantampi ti.t.thantampi.
> just as / monks / lake of water / disturbed / stirred / muddy /
> there / having eyes / man / on shore / stood / should not see / and
> oysters and shells / and gravel and pebbles / and fishes / and
> moving / and standing
> "Monks, just as a lake of disturbed, unsettled and muddy water. With
> eyes, a man who has stood there on the shore should not see oysters
> and shells, gravel and pebbles, and fish, moving or not.

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N: just as: the sentence asks for a verb. PTS has: suppose there is..
moving or not: moving or being still.
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Y.P.: Disturbances of the water, monks.
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N: PTS : turbid state of the water. This expresses more that it is muddy.
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Y.P.:> ~nassati (v) ???
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N: jaanati: to know, understand. future: ñassati. aor: aññaasi.
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Y.P. Evameva.m kho, bhikkhave, so vata bhikkhu aavilena cittena attattha.m

> vaa ~nassati parattha.m vaa ~nassati ubhayattha.m vaa ~nassati
> uttari.m vaa manussadhammaa alamariya~naa.nadassanavisesa.m
> sacchikarissatiiti neta.m .thaana.m vijjati.

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N: It will not come to pass that a monk with a turbid mind will
understand....
or will realize... (as you have)
in just the same way / monks / that / certainly / monk / with

> disturbed / with mind / one's own welfare or / ??? / others' welfare
> or / ??? / both welfare or / ??? / beyond / human state / truly noble
> attainment of knowing and seeing / will realise / not this /
> condition / is found
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Y.P.: 7. "Seyyathaapi, bhikkhave, yaani kaanici rukkhajaataana.m phandano

> tesa.m aggamakkhaayati yadida.m mudutaaya ceva kamma~n~nataaya ca.
> just as / monks / which / any / of collection of trees / Dalbergia /
> of those / is proclaimed best / that is / for softness / as well as /
> for adaptability / and
> "Monks, just as (it is) the Dalbergia which is the type of trees that
> is best known for softness as well as adaptability.
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N: Just as the Dalbergia ...is reckoned the best (chief)

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>Y.P.: 9. "Pabhassaramida.m, bhikkhave, citta.m.
> resplendent-this / monks / mind
> "The mind, monks, it is illuminated.

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N: This mind is luminous
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Y.P.: 10. "Pabhassaramida.m, bhikkhave, citta.m.

> resplendent-this / monks / mind

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N: "That mind, monks, is luminous
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Nina.