Dear Nina, Frank and friends,

thanks. I find your messages very meaningful. We shall keep
to "persists in overwhelming".

metta,
Yong Peng.

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, Nina van Gorkom wrote:

I also see another meaning in this sutta. As in so many suttas the
Buddha speaks about the different sense-doors separately. He shows: one
is only obseesed by visible object appearing through the eyes, sound
appearing through the ears, etc. I see this message in the sutta: if
the doors are guarded by mindfulness of one object at a time, there is
no obsession. One is like Raahula who had to become like the earth. I
have no other suggestion as to the translation, "persists in
overwhelming".