Dear Ven. Dhammanando and friends,

Bhante, thanks for puttimaa. For manussattam, Ven. Narada has
manhood, so I will include yours as an alternate answer.


metta,
Yong Peng.

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, dhammanando_bhikkhu wrote:

2. "Socati puttehi puttimaa."
grieves / because of sons / he who has sons
He who has sons grieves because of the sons.

The word 'puttimaa' is nominative (inflected like gu.navaa).
'Puttehi' is best taken as an ablative of cause.

> 5. Manussattam'pi labhitvaa kasmaa tumhe pu~n~na.m na karotha?
> Having also reached manhood, why do you not do good?

I suggest 'having attained the human state' for manussataa labhitvaa.
It means being born as a human, whereas 'reaching manhood' means
becoming an adult.