> Dear John and friends,
>
> thanks for the pointers. Let's leave #13 open for opinions in
> the meantime. I have uploaded the corrected solutions:
> http://www.tipitaka.net/pali/palidd/paliload.php?page=d18
>
>
> metta,
> Yong Peng.
>
> --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly wrote:
>
> > 13. Daughters, you should not do evil, nor cause others to do evil.
> > Dhiitaro, tumhe papa.m n'eva kareyyaatha vaa na kaaraapeyyaatha.
>
> This one seems a little odd to me. If I was reading the Pali, it
> would come out more like "Daughters, you would not do evil, nor cause
> others to do evil." That is, it appears to be a fairly mild statement
> of fact, rather than an admonition to the daughters of what should or
> should not be done. I hope others on this list more expert in Pali
> than me will jump in and correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me
> that the future passive particple would be more appropriate for a
> statment of what should or should not be done. Thus:
>
> Dhiitaro, tumhehi paapa.m n'eva karetabba.m vaa na aparehi
> kaaraapetabba.m.

Dear Friends,

John, I agree with you initially, but take a look at this from the Dhajagga
sutta:

"No ce me dhajagga.m ullokeyyaatha, atha pajaapatissa devaraajassa
dhajagga.m ullokeyyaatha."

"If you don't look up at the top of my standard, then you should look up at
the top of the standard of Pajapati the deva-king."

It seems the optative can be used in either way...

Best wishes,

Yuttadhammo