Re: AN Ones, 11-12 (was: Anguttara translations ??)

Dear Connie,
Just wondering how you get 'pleasurable perceptual forms' out
of 'Subhanimitta.m', wouldn't simply 'pleasant forms' do?
Robert
In

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> Here's the revised attempt for verse 11 and a first run on 12.
> Also want to say I think it's great that you've translated the

Mahayana

> MahaParinirvana.
> peace,
> connie
>
>
> 2.
> 11. <Naaha.m bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammampi samanupassaami

yena

> anuppanno vaa kaamacchando uppajjati uppanno vaa kaamacchando
> bhiyyobhaavaaya vepullaaya sa.mvattati yathayida.m, bhikkhave,
> subhanimitta.m.
> not I say / monks, / other / single dhamma / understood / because

of /

> where / unarisen / as / attachment to sensual pleasure / arises /

arisen

> / as / attachment to sensual pleasure / exceedingly + state of

existence /

> abundance / leads to / wherever / monks / pleasurable nimitta.m
>
> I do not say, monks, I regard any other thing to so account for

unarisen

> attachment to sensual pleasure arising, and arisen attachment to

sensual

> pleasure developing in abundance as pleasurable perceptual forms.
>
>
> < bhikkhave, ayoniso manasi karoto anuppanno ceva
> kaamacchando uppajjati uppanno ca kaamacchando bhiyyobhaavaaya

vepullaaya

> sa.mvattatiiâ>ti. Pa.thama.m.
>
> pleasurable perceptual forms / monks / improper / attention /

does /

> unarisen / like / attachment to sensual pleasure / arises /

arisen / and /

> attachement to sensual pleasure / exceedingly + state of

existence /

> abundance / leads to / said. / first.
>
> Improper attention to pleasureable perceptual forms, monks, causes

unborn

> attachment to sensual pleasure to arise, and arisen attachment to

sensual

> pleasure to develop in abundance.>
> This is the first thing.
>
>
> 12. <Naaha.m bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammampi samanupassaami yena
> anuppanno vaa byaapaado uppajjati uppanno vaa byaapaado

bhiyyobhaavaaya

> vepullaaya sa.mvattati yathayida.m, bhikkhave, pa.tighanimitta.m.
> Pa.tighanimitta.m, bhikkhave, ayoniso manasi karoto anuppanno

ceva

> byaapaado uppajjati uppanno ca byaapaado bhiyyobhaavaaya

vepullaaya

> sa.mvattatii>ti. Dutiya.m.
>
> byaapaada - malevolence, ill-will, anger
> pa.tigha - repugnance, repulsion, anger
>
> <I do not say, monks, I regard another thing to so account for

unarisen

> ill-will arising, or arisen ill-will to develop in abundance, as

repulsive

> perceptual forms. Improper attention to repulsive perceptual

forms, monks

> causes unarisen ill-will to arise, and arisen ill-will to develop

in

> abundance.>
> This is the second thing.