Hello Bhante Sujato,

BS> If there is interest, i can contribute some other selections from
BS> the Chinese. I have about half the satipatthana Samyutta in
BS> translation, plus other stuff.

Would you please look for the Chinese equivalent of another sutta from
Satipatthana Samyutta,

Satisutta.m (SN 5.180)

Saavatthinidaana.m. "Sato, bhikkhave, bhikkhu vihareyya sampajaano.
Aya.m vo amhaaka.m anusaasanii".

"Katha~nca, bhikkhave, bhikkhu sato hoti? Idha, bhikkhave, bhikkhu
kaaye kaayaanupassii viharati aataapii sampajaano satimaa, vineyya
loke abhijjhaadomanassa.m; vedanaasu …pe… citte …pe… dhammesu
dhammaanupassii viharati aataapii sampajaano satimaa, vineyya loke
abhijjhaadomanassa.m.

Eva.m kho, bhikkhave, bhikkhu sato hoti.

"Katha~nca, bhikkhave, bhikkhu sampajaano hoti? Idha, bhikkhave,
bhikkhuno viditaa vedanaa uppajjanti, viditaa upa.t.thahanti, viditaa
abbhattha.m gacchanti. Viditaa vitakkaa uppajjanti, viditaa
upa.t.thahanti, viditaa abbhattha.m gacchanti. Viditaa sa~n~naa
uppajjanti, viditaa upa.t.thahanti, viditaa abbhattha.m gacchanti.
Eva.m kho, bhikkhave, bhikkhu sampajaano hoti. Sato, bhikkhave,
bhikkhu vihareyya sampajaano. Aya.m vo amhaaka.m anusaasanii"ti.

Patisambhidammagga, in the section devoted to Anapanasati (1.178,
attached below), explains causal relations: vedanaa from phassa,
vitakkaa from sa~n~naa, and sa~n~naa from phassa, yet the details of
practice remain unclear.

The Chinese version may bring more light to this aspect of practice.

BS> This raises the question as to why there are discrepancies. It is
BS> quite possible that the Buddha simply taught satipatthana in
BS> different ways at different times.

In my opinion this is the most probable explanation. He has been
teaching for decades to widely different audiences, so it is unlikely
that the same text has been repeated. Some of the rote formulas of
Satipatthana were constructed latter for the convenience of
memorization.

It seems that the fourth frame of reference covers at least four
different directions of practice - tracking mental qualities, tracking
the faults of perception, tracking four noble truths, and tracking
dependent co-arising of khandhas. Hence the inclusion of different
types of dhamma's.

However the 'insight into the skilful mental qualities' (prerequisites of
their arising and ceasing) seems to be the essential core of fourth
frame of reference practice.

Vinaya 3.23:

idaani cepi maya.m, bhante aananda, labheyyaama bhagavato santike
pabbajja.m labheyyaama upasampada.m, idaanipi maya.m vipassakaa
kusalaana.m dhammaana.m pubbarattaapararatta.m bodhipakkhikaana.m
dhammaana.m bhaavanaanuyogamanuyuttaa vihareyyaama.

AN 3.69, 3.70, 3.300

Tasmaatiha vo, bhikkhave, eva.m sikkhitabba.m- 'indriyesu guttadvaaraa
bhavissaama, bhojane matta~n~nuno, jaagariya.m anuyuttaa, vipassakaa
kusalaana.m dhammaana.m, pubbarattaapararatta.m bodhipakkhiyaana.m
dhammaana.m bhaavanaanuyoga.m anuyuttaa viharissaamaa'ti.

Yours in Dhamma,
Dimitry

Patisambhidamagga 1.178

Diigha.m assaasapassaasavasena cittassa ekaggata.m avikkhepa.m
pajaanato viditaa vedanaa uppajjanti, viditaa upa.t.thahanti, viditaa
abbhattha.m gacchanti. Viditaa sa~n~naa uppajjanti, viditaa
upa.t.thahanti, viditaa abbhattha.m gacchanti. Viditaa vitakkaa
uppajjanti, viditaa upa.t.thahanti, viditaa abbhattha.m gacchanti.

Katha.m viditaa vedanaa uppajjanti, viditaa upa.t.thahanti, viditaa
abbhattha.m gacchanti? Katha.m vedanaaya uppaado vidito hoti?
Avijjaasamudayaa vedanaasamudayoti- paccayasamudaya.t.thena vedanaaya
uppaado vidito hoti. Ta.nhaasamudayaa vedanaasamudayoti…
kammasamudayaa vedanaasamudayoti… phassasamudayaa vedanaasamudayoti
paccayasamudaya.t.thena vedanaaya uppaado vidito hoti.
Nibbattilakkha.na.m passatopi vedanaaya uppaado vidito hoti. Eva.m
vedanaaya uppaado vidito hoti.

Katha.m vedanaaya upa.t.thaana.m vidita.m hoti? Aniccato manasikaroto
khayatupa.t.thaana.m vidita.m hoti. Dukkhato manasikaroto
bhayatupa.t.thaana.m vidita.m hoti. Anattato manasikaroto
su~n~natupa.t.thaana.m vidita.m hoti. Eva.m vedanaaya upa.t.thaana.m
vidita.m hoti.

Katha.m vedanaaya attha"ngamo vidito hoti? Avijjaanirodhaa
vedanaanirodhoti- paccayanirodha.t.thena vedanaaya attha"ngamo vidito
hoti. Ta.nhaanirodhaa vedanaanirodhoti …pe… kammanirodhaa
vedanaanirodhoti …pe… phassanirodhaa vedanaanirodhoti
paccayanirodha.t.thena vedanaaya attha"ngamo vidito hoti.
Vipari.naamalakkha.na.m passatopi vedanaaya attha"ngamo vidito hoti.
Eva.m vedanaaya attha"ngamo vidito hoti. Eva.m viditaa vedanaa
uppajjanti, viditaa upa.t.thahanti, viditaa abbhattha.m gacchanti.

Katha.m viditaa sa~n~naa uppajjanti, viditaa upa.t.thahanti, viditaa
abbhattha.m gacchanti? Katha.m sa~n~naaya uppaado vidito hoti?
Avijjaasamudayaa sa~n~naasamudayoti- paccayasamudaya.t.thena
sa~n~naaya uppaado vidito hoti. Ta.nhaasamudayaa sa~n~naasamudayoti
…pe… kammasamudayaa sa~n~naasamudayoti …pe… phassasamudayaa
sa~n~naasamudayoti- paccayasamudaya.t.thena sa~n~naaya uppaado vidito
hoti. Nibbattilakkha.na.m passatopi sa~n~naaya uppaado vidito hoti.
Eva.m sa~n~naaya uppaado vidito hoti.

Katha.m sa~n~naaya upa.t.thaana.m vidita.m hoti? Aniccato manasikaroto
khayatupa.t.thaana.m vidita.m hoti. Dukkhato manasikaroto
bhayatupa.t.thaana.m vidita.m hoti. Anattato manasikaroto
su~n~natupa.t.thaana.m vidita.m hoti. Eva.m sa~n~naaya upa.t.thaana.m
vidita.m hoti.

Katha.m sa~n~naaya attha"ngamo vidito hoti? Avijjaanirodhaa
sa~n~naanirodhoti- paccayanirodha.t.thena sa~n~naaya attha"ngamo
vidito hoti. Ta.nhaanirodhaa sa~n~naanirodhoti …pe… kammanirodhaa
sa~n~naanirodhoti …pe… phassanirodhaa sa~n~naanirodhoti-
paccayanirodha.t.thena sa~n~naaya attha"ngamo vidito hoti.
Vipari.naamalakkha.na.m passatopi sa~n~naaya attha"ngamo vidito hoti.
Eva.m sa~n~naaya attha"ngamo vidito hoti. Eva.m viditaa sa~n~naa
uppajjanti, viditaa upa.t.thahanti, viditaa abbhattha.m gacchanti.

Katha.m viditaa vitakkaa uppajjanti, viditaa upa.t.thahanti, viditaa
abbhattha.m gacchanti? Katha.m vitakkaana.m uppaado vidito hoti?
Avijjaasamudayaa vitakkasamudayoti- paccayasamudaya.t.thena
vitakkaana.m uppaado vidito hoti. Ta.nhaasamudayaa vitakkasamudayoti
…pe… kammasamudayaa vitakkasamudayoti …pe… sa~n~naasamudayaa
vitakkasamudayoti- paccayasamudaya.t.thena vitakkaana.m uppaado vidito
hoti. Nibbattilakkha.na.m passatopi vitakkaana.m uppaado vidito hoti.
Eva.m vitakkaana.m uppaado vidito hoti.

Katha.m vitakkaana.m upa.t.thaana.m vidita.m hoti? Aniccato
manasikaroto khayatupa.t.thaana.m vidita.m hoti. Dukkhato manasikaroto
bhayatupa.t.thaana.m vidita.m hoti. Anattato manasikaroto
su~n~natupa.t.thaana.m vidita.m hoti. Eva.m vitakkaana.m
upa.t.thaana.m vidita.m hoti.

Katha.m vitakkaana.m attha"ngamo vidito hoti? Avijjaanirodhaa
vitakkanirodhoti- paccayanirodha.t.thena vitakkaana.m attha"ngamo
vidito hoti. Ta.nhaanirodhaa vitakkanirodhoti …pe… kammanirodhaa
vitakkanirodhoti …pe… sa~n~naanirodhaa vitakkanirodhoti-
paccayanirodha.t.thena vitakkaana.m attha"ngamo vidito hoti.
Vipari.naamalakkha.na.m passatopi vitakkaana.m attha"ngamo vidito
hoti. Eva.m vitakkaana.m attha"ngamo vidito hoti. Eva.m viditaa
vitakkaa uppajjanti, viditaa upa.t.thahanti, viditaa abbhattha.m
gacchanti.