--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Hodge" <s.hodge@...> wrote:

>
> > Stephen, the sentence you quoted from SN "naamaruupa-samudaaya
> > cittassa samudayo" seems to be a compacted form of Dependent
> > Origination, is this sutta dicussing paticca-samuppada?
> The sutta in question is the Samudayo-sutta in the SN Mahaavagga

(p1660 of

> Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation). Note also my mistyping: it should

be

> "naamaruupa-samudayaa". And, yes, I suppose it is yet another

variant of

> the PS formular.

hello all,

I've just been doing some comparative study on that very sutta. the
Chinese version has essentially the same teachings, but seems to be
more complete as a literary entity. Here's a rough summary
translation, modified from Hurvitz. Notice the similarity with
the 'vipassana refrain' of the Pali Satipatthana Sutta. Enjoy!

SA 609/SN 47.42 Samudaya

I will now tell of the origin of the 4 satipatthanas and the
vanishing of the 4 satipatthanas. Listen with discernment and think
well thereon! What is meant by the `origin of the 4 satipatthanas'
and the `vanishing of the 4 satipatthanas'?

When food originates, the body arises. When food is annihilated, the
body disappears.

If in this way one dwells in observation in keeping with the dhamma
of origin of the body, one dwells in observation in keeping with the
dhamma of annihilation of the body, one dwells in observation in
keeping with the dhamma of origin and annihilation of the body, then
one dwells with no point of reliance, and never takes anything from
the various worlds.

When contact originates, feelings arise. When contact is
annihilated, feelings disappear.

…

When name & form originate, the mind arises. When name & form is
annihilated, the mind disappears.

…

When attention originates, dhammas arise. When attention is
annihilated, dhammas disappear.

…

This is called `the origin of the 4 satipatthanas' and
the `vanishing of the 4 satipatthanas'.