Dear Nina,

Thank you, I appreciate your encouragement.

"Niyaama" is still funny to me, because we chant the
"Niyaamasutta" quite often. In the CSCD it is called the
"uppaadaasutta" and is in the Anguttara (3.14.4).
Though the Thai title is niyaama, the word used in the sutta
is "niyaamataa", which according to the PED has a different
meaning. Now, in the Tipitaka, it seems that you are mostly
correct - the commentators seem to often equate "niyaamo"
with "maggo". I did find an exception, where it refers to
the "pañcavidha'm niyaama'm" (in the DhS Commentary), where
it seems to refer to "niyaamataa" or "natural order" (cp
Buddhist Dictionary by Nyanatiloka). Buddhadatta (CPED) has
niyaama as "certainty; fixed method; regular order", and a
slightly different definition for niyama. The long and
short of it is, I'm willing to go with your interpretation,
but I'll probably put a footnote in the original.

For "siilabbataparaamaasa'm = wrong grasp in regards to what
is fundamental practice"
I followed a note in PED under "paraamaasa" (cp) to get the
following: "siila+vata+parato+aamasana" which they say comes
from the commentaries. To explain my analysis:
siila vata parato aamasana
/practice /fundamental /other /take
"taking other things to be fundamental practice"
I guess the word fundamental might miss the mark on vata,
but for siilavata, I think it is appropriate - though I am
often wrong :)

For "anaagamaniiya'm vatthu'm = an unbecoming contrivance"
I thought for a while on this one, twisting my brain to find
a good phrase. I like the word unbecoming because of the
connection with aagama = come. I don't know about using
"religion" for aagama in this case. Vatthu seems to have
a wide variety of meanings. I was thinking of the
definition "object", and trying to make it apply to things
like
wrong view and so on. I think contrivance is close, but I
would be happy to hear another suggestion if there is one.

As to the rest, your comments are well-taken.

Best wishes,

Yuttadhammo
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nina van gorkom" <nilo@...>
To: <Pali@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Pali] AN 6.9.8


> Venerable Bhante,
> Thanks very much.
> op 06-08-2004 07:42 schreef Yuttadhammo op
buffer@...:
>
> > Comments:
> > 1) anaagamaniiya'm vatthu'm = an unbecoming contrivance
> N: A problem.Footnote PTS has:guilty dread and the
heretical views. Vatthu
> can mean: object, base. anaagamaniiya: not returning? or:
not aagama, not
> according to the religion?
> > 2) bhava'm nibbattetu'm = born into existence - but the
commentary notes that
> > this is referring only to the kaamaavacara
> N: It is impossible for a person with
> > attainment of view to be born into an eighth existence .
> I think I understand. It refers to the sotapanna who has
seven existences at
> most. In a previous sutta it was said: who has attained
right view: the
> magga of the sotaapanna.
>
> 9. The Second Sutta on Impossible Situations
>
> 1) aanantariya'm = unmitigatable
> N: it is kamma that gives fruit without delay: an-antara,
no in between.
> Thus, a heinous crime, or as you say an unmitigable deed,
that gives
> immediately result as an unhappy rebirth in the next life.
> Respectfully,
> Nina.
> P.S. I see this as an opportunity to read more suttas in
Pali for which I am
> grateful. Only, since I usually go out Saturdays, I will
not be able to keep
> up this pace during the weekend.
>
>
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