To Everyone Reading this Thread:

While I stayed at the Bhavana Society, Bhante G repeated Dhammapada Verse 372 after each and every meditation session:

Natthi jhaanam apan~n~assa, pan~n~aa natthi ajhaayato,
Yamhi jhaanan~ ca pan~n~an~ ca sa ve nibbaanasantike.

There is no concentration without wisdom,
No wisdom without concentration.
One who has both wisdom and concentration
Is close to peace and emancipation.

Thannisaro Bhikkhus translation:
There's no jhana
for one with no discernment,
no discernment
for one with no jhana.
But one with both jhana
& discernment:
he's on the verge
of Unbinding.

Seeing that I have neither, I'm wondering how I can develop them!

Metta,
Ben

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Anderson
To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Pali] Common Misconceptions of Jhana


Hello Jeff,

I don't believe Stephen has responded to you yet so I'll jump in here
and provide you with the URL as I have made a few contributions to the
discussion myself. You can read the messages by going to:

http://www.louisville.edu/it/listserv/archives/buddha-l.html

You will have to register your email address and get a password in
order to read the messages and you may even have to subscribe
beforehand. It is a forum for the academic discussion of Buddhist
topics pertaining to all the different schools and vehicles. The
discussion is under the subject line: Buddha as Mystic. As it
currently stands there appears to be nothing in the suttas themselves
to support the attainment of arahatship without the jhaanas. However,
the commentaries do support it and the closest support I'm aware of in
the Tipitaka is a passage found in the Puggalapa~n~natti, p. 61.

Best wishes,
Jim

> Hello Stephen, and thank-you for the recommendation of the dialog,
however I
> am too unsophisticated a computer user to track down that URL. Would
you
> happen to have it available?
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Jeff Brooks




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