Dear Dimitry,
I must add that jhana attainment is a split second thing.If Buddha talk about dhamma in 60 seconds, the student may have enter and emerge from jhana more than once(their are in first,second,third,fourth upacara jhana,etc as buddhaghosa said after they emerge from their jhana).Or else no iddhi can be performed too for those people.
It is not about sitting cross leg for jhana.

Ong Teng Kee <ongtkee@...> wrote:
Dear dimitry,
It is not that listening to dhamma like aditapariyaya will mean they are sukkhavipassaka.Sariputta also listening to buddha and attain nibbana.But he is samathayanika as mention in Khudakapatha com.
see culapanthaka case in theragatha com too.
The jhana on anicca anatta etc,is called lakkanajhana which is also a must for samathayanika after they emerge from jhana.


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Dimitry A. Ivakhnenko (������� ���������� ���������)" wrote:
Dear Robert,

Thank you for the detailed explanation.

On the basis of Patisambhidammagga and Dhammapada I think that there
is indeed a kind of jhana based on anicca, dukkha and anatta.

Maybe some exceptional persons with practice of usual jhana in the past,
including past lives, can do without it. For example, the audience of
Aditta-pariyaya sutta.

I will think this over.

Best regards,
Dimitry




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