--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Ong Yong Peng" <ypong001@...> wrote:

> >
> As for the word kamma, with right understanding and right effort,

all

> humans can attain nibbana here and now in their present lives,
> regardless of their past kamma.
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Dear Yong peng,
I understand this point differently.
There are said to be at this present time only two types of human :
Neyya and padaparama.
Neyya may or may not be able to attain in this present life .
However, padaparama definitely cannot attain in this life and can
only make conditions that may lead to success in future lives.
Even at the Buddha's time there were those such as King Ajatasattu
whose kamma (in this case killing his father) meant they could not
attain in that life .
Robertk