----- Original Message -----
From: "sese2k3" <sese2k3@...>
To: <Pali@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: [Pali] Re: question about monk, gold and money in Vinaya
> Dear Piya,
>
> I have received your paper of "Monastic and Money" in my email.
> Thank you very much for your help.
> But I have some confusion about the fonts that you mentioned in our
> groups mail. Is "Times Norman" same with "Times New Roman" ? If it
> isn't, can you help me from what websites I can install it ?
>
> Sukhi,
>
> Sese
>
>
> --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Piya Tan" <libris@...> wrote:
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > Those who have requested for the paper of "Monastics and Money" and
> received
> > it, please note that you have to install "Times Norman" fonts in
> your
> > computer so that all the Pali words read correctly.
> >
> > Sukhi
> >
> > P
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Piya Tan" <libris@...>
> > To: <Pali@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Pali] Re: question about monk, gold and money in
> Vinaya
> >
> >
> > > Dear Christine,
> > >
> > > Is this what you are looking for as attached?
> > >
> > > Sukhi.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "christine_forsyth" <cforsyth@...>
> > > To: <Pali@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:14 AM
> > > Subject: [Pali] Re: question about monk, gold and money in Vinaya
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear Selamat and Group,
> > > >
> > > > I don't see Piya's article or a link - where should I be
> looking?
> > > > Also, here is the sutta Lennart mentioned.
> > > >
> > > > metta and peace,
> > > > Christine
> > > > ---The trouble is that you think you have time---
> > > > ==================================================
> > > > Samyutta Nikaya 42 Gamanisamyutta "10 Maniculaka" The Connected
> > > > Discourses of the Buddha. A New Translation of the Samyutta
> Nikaya by
> > > > Bhikkhu Bodhi p.1346
> > > >
> > > > On one occasion the Blessed One was dwelling at Rajagaha in the
> > > > Bamboo Grove, the Squirrel Sanctuary. Now on that occasion the
> > > > members of the king's retinue had assembled in the royal palace
> and
> > > > were sitting together when the following conversaion arose:
> > > > "Gold and silver are allowable for the ascetics following the
> Sakyan
> > > > son; the ascetics following the Sakyan son consent to gold and
> > > > silver; the ascetics following the Sakyan son accept gold and
> silver."
> > > > Now on that occasion Maniculaka the headman was sitting in that
> > > > assembly. Then Maniculaka the headman said to that
> assembly: "Do not
> > > > speak thus, masters. Gold and silver are not allowable for the
> > > > ascetics following the Sakyan son; the ascetics following the
> Sakyan
> > > > son do not consent to gold and silver; the ascetics following
> the
> > > > Sakyan son do not accept gold and silver. They have renounced
> > > > jewellery and gold; they have given up the use of gold and
> silver."
> > > > [350] And Maniculaka was able to convince that assembly.
> > > > Then Maniculaka approached the Blessed One, paid homange to
> him, and
> > > > sat down to one side. Sitting to one side, he reported to the
> > > > Blessed One all that had happened, adding: "I hope, venerable
> sir,
> > > > that when I answered thus I stated what has been said by the
> Blessed
> > > > One and did not misrepresent him with what is contrary to fact;
> that
> > > > I explained in accordance with the Dhamma, and that no
> reasonable
> > > > consequence of my statement gives ground for criticism."
> > > > "For sure, headman, when you answered thus you stated what has
> been
> > > > said by me and did not misrepresent me with what is contrary to
> fact;
> > > > you explained in accordance with the Dhamma, and no reasonable
> > > > consequence of your statement gives ground for criticism. For,
> > > > headman, gold and silver are not allowable for the ascetics
> following
> > > > the Sakyan son; the ascetics following the Sakyan son do not
> consent
> > > > to gold and silver; the ascetics following the Sakyan son do not
> > > > accept gold and silver. They have renounced jewellery and
> gold; they
> > > > have given up the use of gold and silver. If gold and silver
> are
> > > > allowable for anyone, the five cords of sensual pleasure are
> > > > allowable for him. If the five cords of sensual pleasure are
> > > > allowable for anyone, you can definitely consider him to be one
> who
> > > > does not have the character of an ascetic or of a follower of
> the
> > > > Sakyan son.
> > > > "Further, headman, I say this: 'Straw may be sought by one
> needing
> > > > straw; timber may be sought by one needing timber; a cart may be
> > > > sought by one needing a cart; a workman may be sought by one
> needing
> > > > a workman'.
> > > > But I do not say that there is any method by which gold and
> silver
> > > > may be consented to or sought."
> > > >
> > > >
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