Re: question about monk, gold and money in Vinaya

Dear Group,

Those who have requested for the paper of "Monastics and Money" and received
it, please note that you have to install "Times Norman" fonts in your
computer so that all the Pali words read correctly.

Sukhi

P

----- Original Message -----
From: "Piya Tan" <libris@...>
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Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Pali] Re: question about monk, gold and money in Vinaya

> Dear Christine,
>
> Is this what you are looking for as attached?
>
> Sukhi.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "christine_forsyth" <cforsyth@...>
> To: <Pali@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:14 AM
> Subject: [Pali] Re: question about monk, gold and money in Vinaya
>
>
> > Dear Selamat and Group,
> >
> > I don't see Piya's article or a link - where should I be looking?
> > Also, here is the sutta Lennart mentioned.
> >
> > metta and peace,
> > Christine
> > ---The trouble is that you think you have time---
> > ==================================================
> > Samyutta Nikaya 42 Gamanisamyutta "10 Maniculaka" The Connected
> > Discourses of the Buddha. A New Translation of the Samyutta Nikaya by
> > Bhikkhu Bodhi p.1346
> >
> > On one occasion the Blessed One was dwelling at Rajagaha in the
> > Bamboo Grove, the Squirrel Sanctuary. Now on that occasion the
> > members of the king's retinue had assembled in the royal palace and
> > were sitting together when the following conversaion arose:
> > "Gold and silver are allowable for the ascetics following the Sakyan
> > son; the ascetics following the Sakyan son consent to gold and
> > silver; the ascetics following the Sakyan son accept gold and silver."
> > Now on that occasion Maniculaka the headman was sitting in that
> > assembly. Then Maniculaka the headman said to that assembly: "Do not
> > speak thus, masters. Gold and silver are not allowable for the
> > ascetics following the Sakyan son; the ascetics following the Sakyan
> > son do not consent to gold and silver; the ascetics following the
> > Sakyan son do not accept gold and silver. They have renounced
> > jewellery and gold; they have given up the use of gold and silver."
> > [350] And Maniculaka was able to convince that assembly.
> > Then Maniculaka approached the Blessed One, paid homange to him, and
> > sat down to one side. Sitting to one side, he reported to the
> > Blessed One all that had happened, adding: "I hope, venerable sir,
> > that when I answered thus I stated what has been said by the Blessed
> > One and did not misrepresent him with what is contrary to fact; that
> > I explained in accordance with the Dhamma, and that no reasonable
> > consequence of my statement gives ground for criticism."
> > "For sure, headman, when you answered thus you stated what has been
> > said by me and did not misrepresent me with what is contrary to fact;
> > you explained in accordance with the Dhamma, and no reasonable
> > consequence of your statement gives ground for criticism. For,
> > headman, gold and silver are not allowable for the ascetics following
> > the Sakyan son; the ascetics following the Sakyan son do not consent
> > to gold and silver; the ascetics following the Sakyan son do not
> > accept gold and silver. They have renounced jewellery and gold; they
> > have given up the use of gold and silver. If gold and silver are
> > allowable for anyone, the five cords of sensual pleasure are
> > allowable for him. If the five cords of sensual pleasure are
> > allowable for anyone, you can definitely consider him to be one who
> > does not have the character of an ascetic or of a follower of the
> > Sakyan son.
> > "Further, headman, I say this: 'Straw may be sought by one needing
> > straw; timber may be sought by one needing timber; a cart may be
> > sought by one needing a cart; a workman may be sought by one needing
> > a workman'.
> > But I do not say that there is any method by which gold and silver
> > may be consented to or sought."
> >
> >
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