Dear Group,

I have a comprehensive paper on "Monastics and Money" (incl all the Suttas
related to it and latest views).

If anyone wants it please email me directly. I think the file is too big for
Yahoogroups which seem to filter it off.

Sukhi

Piya

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From: "christine_forsyth" <cforsyth@...>
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Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:14 AM
Subject: [Pali] Re: question about monk, gold and money in Vinaya


> Dear Selamat and Group,
>
> I don't see Piya's article or a link - where should I be looking?
> Also, here is the sutta Lennart mentioned.
>
> metta and peace,
> Christine
> ---The trouble is that you think you have time---
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> Samyutta Nikaya 42 Gamanisamyutta "10 Maniculaka" The Connected
> Discourses of the Buddha. A New Translation of the Samyutta Nikaya by
> Bhikkhu Bodhi p.1346
>
> On one occasion the Blessed One was dwelling at Rajagaha in the
> Bamboo Grove, the Squirrel Sanctuary. Now on that occasion the
> members of the king's retinue had assembled in the royal palace and
> were sitting together when the following conversaion arose:
> "Gold and silver are allowable for the ascetics following the Sakyan
> son; the ascetics following the Sakyan son consent to gold and
> silver; the ascetics following the Sakyan son accept gold and silver."
> Now on that occasion Maniculaka the headman was sitting in that
> assembly. Then Maniculaka the headman said to that assembly: "Do not
> speak thus, masters. Gold and silver are not allowable for the
> ascetics following the Sakyan son; the ascetics following the Sakyan
> son do not consent to gold and silver; the ascetics following the
> Sakyan son do not accept gold and silver. They have renounced
> jewellery and gold; they have given up the use of gold and silver."
> [350] And Maniculaka was able to convince that assembly.
> Then Maniculaka approached the Blessed One, paid homange to him, and
> sat down to one side. Sitting to one side, he reported to the
> Blessed One all that had happened, adding: "I hope, venerable sir,
> that when I answered thus I stated what has been said by the Blessed
> One and did not misrepresent him with what is contrary to fact; that
> I explained in accordance with the Dhamma, and that no reasonable
> consequence of my statement gives ground for criticism."
> "For sure, headman, when you answered thus you stated what has been
> said by me and did not misrepresent me with what is contrary to fact;
> you explained in accordance with the Dhamma, and no reasonable
> consequence of your statement gives ground for criticism. For,
> headman, gold and silver are not allowable for the ascetics following
> the Sakyan son; the ascetics following the Sakyan son do not consent
> to gold and silver; the ascetics following the Sakyan son do not
> accept gold and silver. They have renounced jewellery and gold; they
> have given up the use of gold and silver. If gold and silver are
> allowable for anyone, the five cords of sensual pleasure are
> allowable for him. If the five cords of sensual pleasure are
> allowable for anyone, you can definitely consider him to be one who
> does not have the character of an ascetic or of a follower of the
> Sakyan son.
> "Further, headman, I say this: 'Straw may be sought by one needing
> straw; timber may be sought by one needing timber; a cart may be
> sought by one needing a cart; a workman may be sought by one needing
> a workman'.
> But I do not say that there is any method by which gold and silver
> may be consented to or sought."
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