Namo Buddha
We all are ignoring or missing the facts that how
Buddhism declined in South India. South India played
major role till 14th century AD. Kanchi was a major
Buddhist study center. Many of the world famous
Buddhist scholar from Kanchi. Pali was a living
language till 14th century AD in South India. Pali
Grammer was writtien at that time. Many Pali scholars
went from South India to translate Singala texts in to
Pali.
We are thank full to Turks or Muslims who came and
distroyed all the Buddhis sites. Otherwise all would
have merged under Hindu lable as what happened in
South India. In South India with the effort of Sankara
and his followers all Buddhists sites are merged under
Hindu banner.
Many of the Hindu Temples of South India were once
Buddhists. It is very difficult to deferentiate Kanchi
from Hindus as we can do Nalanda in North.
There is a serious study and analyse is needed to
Study Buddhist South Inda.
Metta
Sakya
bavatu sabbamangalang
--- Frank Kuan <
fcckuan@...> wrote: > Thanks for
the history lesson Tim. Sounds plausible
> to
> me. Reminds me of a recent Bush quote on diplomatic
> relations with Saudi Arabia, he said something to
> the
> effect of, "We can work together [with the Saudis]
> because I believe in the Almighty, and [Leader of
> Saudi] believes in the Almighty." Bush did not say
> whether Almighty referred to the dollar or an
> imaginary creator deity. Perhaps both were implied.
> I'm willing to believe in some cases Muslim
> conquests
> may be primarily motivated by seeking wealth, but
> the
> bombing of the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan is
> just
> one of many examples of their willingness to
> brutally
> wipe out competing religions.
>
> -fk
>
> --- "Timothy C. Cahill" <tccahill@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Frank & Christine (and others),
> >
> > It's hard to respond briefly to this remark:
> > "but I'm pretty sure the
> > wholesale slaughter of Buddhist monks and
> > destruction of Buddhist temples
> > by Muslims did not help" --except to say that the
> > near certainty *is*
> > misplaced. First we ought to note that persecution
> > often serves to enhance
> > group identity, thereby *strengthening* religions.
> > Clearly that wasn't the
> > case when Turks came to power in 12th century
> India.
> > Buddhism (not just
> > Theravada) had been in sharp decline on the
> > sub-Himalayan continent for
> > quite some time. Its failure to differentiate
> itself
> > from a transformed
> > Hinduism (which now eschewed animal sacrifice,
> > 'accepted' the Buddha as an
> > avatara of Vishnu, etc.) played a role, as did
> Hindu
> > hostility. The
> > efforts of the great Advaitin, Sankara, in
> > organizing Hindu monastic life
> > Shaiva, especially) provided a rival to Buddhism's
> > long-held advantage in
> > this sphere.
> >
> > The time-line blurb from the buddha-net page is
> > not merely misleading,
> > but it's likely factually incorrect. By 1193
> > Buddhism probably had no true
> > 'heartland in India' --that's the misleading part.
> > The assertion that
> > "Moslems" (even the spelling belies an antiquarian
> > approach) destroyed
> > Buddhist monasteries is probably wrong in many
> > cases. For the details
> > (i.e., the 'history') on Vikramasila see:
> >
> > Chaudhary, R. (1978) "Decline of Vikramasila."
> > Journal of Indian History,
> > 56, pp. 213-235. (Trivandrum) and also
> >
> > Narayan, B. (1977-78) "The Vikramasila Mahavihara
> > Site. Some New Light on
> > the Basis of Archeological Evidence." Journal of
> the
> > Bihar Research
> > Society, 63-64, pp. 212-214.
> >
> > Chaudhary provides evidence which largely
> exonerates
> > Bakhtiyar Khaldi from
> > this heinous act, while implicating local Biharis.
> > In other instances the
> > Turkish rulers seem to have mistaken walled
> > monasteries as fortresses. No
> > religious (i.e., Islamic) motives seem to have
> been
> > present. The well
> > known incident of the burning of the Nalanda
> library
> > has been documented
> > by S. H. Askari & Q. Ahmed (eds.) (1983-1987)
> > _COMPREHENSIVE HISTORY OF
> > BIHAR_, 2 vols. Patna. They and D.R. Patil,
> author
> > of _ANTIQUARIAN
> > REMAINS AT BHUBANESHWAR_ (Calcutta, 1961),
> basically
> > concur that the act
> > of arson was not committed by the (Muslim) Turks.
> >
> > It also should be pointed out that *reciprocal*
> > massacres between Hindus &
> > Buddhists took place in India during the 7th
> century
> > --before Muslim
> > generals raided Transoxiana & Sind in the early
> 8th
> > cent. The early
> > Ghaznavids seemed interested in power & wealth
> much
> > more than in spreading
> > Islam. Wealth was found in temples, and I'd guess
> in
> > monasteries as well.
> > Yet Hinduism not only survived, but flourished in
> > India despite the
> > losses.
> >
> > Other sources which shed light on the decline
> of
> > Buddhism point to even
> > earlier periods. By the end of the 5th century (!)
> > Buddhist temples in
> > South India were replaced by temples to Shiva at
> > Kanchipuram, Srisailam,
> > Vengipura (A.P.), etc. Related to the destruction
> > of Buddhist images
> > (long before Islam arrives) is the work of H.
> Sarkar
> > and B.N. Misra on
> > Nagarjunakonda (Delhi: 1966).
> >
> > If you have to use a metaphor for this I'd
> > suggest the establishment
> > (not the 'arrival') of Muslim Turks as the last
> nail
> > in Buddhism's coffin
> > in N. India --provided we acknowledge that there
> > were a dozen or so nails
> > already well hammered such that the lid was not
> > going to open again. Of
> > course, if non-historians prefer to cling to
> > 'historical' ideas that can
> > not be supported by historical evidence, so be it!
> >
> > Sorry for the length of all this!
> >
> > best wishes,
> > Tim Cahill
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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